State Significant Development
Determination
Blue Gum Community School
Hornsby Shire
Current Status: Determination
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Alterations and additions to, and change of use of, an existing dwelling for the purpose of a child care centre and primary school.
Attachments & Resources
Notice of Exhibition (1)
Request for SEARs (1)
SEARs (2)
EIS (22)
Response to Submissions (10)
Amendments (7)
Recommendation (3)
Determination (3)
Approved Documents
Management Plans and Strategies (9)
Reports (3)
Other Documents (8)
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Submissions
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ian cubitt
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ian cubitt
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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i strongly object to this development on the grounds of my attachment
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Rob Paynter
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Rob Paynter
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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As a resident of Rosemead Rd I object to this project for the following reasons. In recent years the traffic in Dural and William street has increased noticeably. More and more commuters are parking in these streets and so one has to pull over to allow oncoming cars to pass. With more traffic headed to the proposed school the situation will worsen. One also needs to take into account the proposed high rise on the corner of Dural and Peats Ferry Rd, with its couple of hundred new families, which again will exacerbate the traffic congestion, in what was once a quite neighbourhood. Drop-off and pick-up times will be particularly bad. I object to the original heritage building being altered as it stands as a reminder of Mt Errington’s past. Trees, which have taken decades to grow, will no doubt be removed changing the aesthetics of the area and reducing habit for local fauna.
As an educator myself, I do not have a problem with new schools. However, I strongly feel that this demographic with its ageing population and very few potential students, is not the appropriate place. Thanks for taking the time to consider this submission.
As an educator myself, I do not have a problem with new schools. However, I strongly feel that this demographic with its ageing population and very few potential students, is not the appropriate place. Thanks for taking the time to consider this submission.
June Paynter
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June Paynter
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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I wish to object to the proposed school on 1 Rosemead Road, Hornsby. The property is heritage listed and a historical icon in the area, dating back to 1800’s. When the purpose of a residential property is altered there is loss of character and charm from yesteryear. I feel very strongly that this should be preserved or alternatively renovated with respect; preserving the old character, features and charm of old buildings.
Of greatest concern to me is the proposed removal of so many very old, large trees on the property. These trees are hundreds of years old and some were there before European settlement. Once gone the ambiance of the neighbourhood will be lost. It will never be replaced as these trees take hundreds of years to grow. The trees are habitat to many fauna. The fauna in Sydney are very stressed as their habitat is rapidly being lost as development invades their habitats.
I am also very concerned about the increased traffic and parking the school will cause. The streets around Mount Errington are narrow and already parking is difficult with commuters parking in the nearby streets. The planned Twin towers at the corner of Dural and Peats Ferry Road all compound the problem of traffic and parking.
School signage will alter the look and feel of the heritage Mount Errington area, altering its appeal.
Thank you for taking the time to read my submission and I hope you will consider my opinion especially regarding the beautiful trees.
Yours sincerely
June Paynter
Of greatest concern to me is the proposed removal of so many very old, large trees on the property. These trees are hundreds of years old and some were there before European settlement. Once gone the ambiance of the neighbourhood will be lost. It will never be replaced as these trees take hundreds of years to grow. The trees are habitat to many fauna. The fauna in Sydney are very stressed as their habitat is rapidly being lost as development invades their habitats.
I am also very concerned about the increased traffic and parking the school will cause. The streets around Mount Errington are narrow and already parking is difficult with commuters parking in the nearby streets. The planned Twin towers at the corner of Dural and Peats Ferry Road all compound the problem of traffic and parking.
School signage will alter the look and feel of the heritage Mount Errington area, altering its appeal.
Thank you for taking the time to read my submission and I hope you will consider my opinion especially regarding the beautiful trees.
Yours sincerely
June Paynter
Name Withheld
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Name Withheld
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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I am writing to raise my concern to the proposed commercial development for 1 Rosemead Road, Hornsby. I believe it is inappropriate on several grounds.
Firstly, 1 Rosemead Road is in the Mt Errington Heritage Conservation area. A commercial operation will inevitably have a significant detrimental effect on the heritage value of the property and the whole area. Large paved areas and loss of trees to provide for parking will destroy the unique ambience of this rare and well-preserved building in Hornsby. The type of fencing required for a preschool and primary school would fly in the face of the Heritage Development Control Plan.
From the 'Statement of Heritage Impact' included in the DA, the building is described as "beautifully maintained and essentially unaltered”. Alterations required to satisfy OH&S and universal access requirements would inevitably undermine this state of preservation. In particular, powdercoated metal boundary fencing, enclosing of the covered porch, fire stairs and raised balustrade. Signage outside the school, as well as street signs outside the school regarding school zones would also detract from the streetscape. The garden is also on the heritage register so in theory making changes to the garden should not be able to be done which would include widening the driveway.
If such alterations to the building and garden were approved it would make a mockery of the heritage conservation area, and would be the beginning of the end to this significant area.
Secondly, parking. Although off-street parking is proposed, parents and visitors will inevitably park in the surrounding streets, which are already filled to capacity at many times of the week, due to close proximity to Hornsby station.
Finally, traffic congestion in the area will increase dramatically In practice, William Street is the only access road to the property (there is no right turn into Dural Street from Peats Ferry Road in peak hours, and Dural Street is one way in a section heading east from Rosemead Road). The only other access is a long detour via Rosemead Road and Pretoria Parade.
William Street is effectively a single lane road, being very narrow at the Western end and more often than not filled with parked cars at the Eastern end. Travelling the length of William Street already often involves pulling over two or three times to allow oncoming cars to pass. Also at certain times of the year the sunrise and sunset glare is almost blinding at peak hours, which makes navigation of this road more difficult. At peak periods it is already difficult to turn right from William Street onto the Pacific Highway, as traffic is continually banked back along the highway from the main intersection with George Street to well past William Street.
Firstly, 1 Rosemead Road is in the Mt Errington Heritage Conservation area. A commercial operation will inevitably have a significant detrimental effect on the heritage value of the property and the whole area. Large paved areas and loss of trees to provide for parking will destroy the unique ambience of this rare and well-preserved building in Hornsby. The type of fencing required for a preschool and primary school would fly in the face of the Heritage Development Control Plan.
From the 'Statement of Heritage Impact' included in the DA, the building is described as "beautifully maintained and essentially unaltered”. Alterations required to satisfy OH&S and universal access requirements would inevitably undermine this state of preservation. In particular, powdercoated metal boundary fencing, enclosing of the covered porch, fire stairs and raised balustrade. Signage outside the school, as well as street signs outside the school regarding school zones would also detract from the streetscape. The garden is also on the heritage register so in theory making changes to the garden should not be able to be done which would include widening the driveway.
If such alterations to the building and garden were approved it would make a mockery of the heritage conservation area, and would be the beginning of the end to this significant area.
Secondly, parking. Although off-street parking is proposed, parents and visitors will inevitably park in the surrounding streets, which are already filled to capacity at many times of the week, due to close proximity to Hornsby station.
Finally, traffic congestion in the area will increase dramatically In practice, William Street is the only access road to the property (there is no right turn into Dural Street from Peats Ferry Road in peak hours, and Dural Street is one way in a section heading east from Rosemead Road). The only other access is a long detour via Rosemead Road and Pretoria Parade.
William Street is effectively a single lane road, being very narrow at the Western end and more often than not filled with parked cars at the Eastern end. Travelling the length of William Street already often involves pulling over two or three times to allow oncoming cars to pass. Also at certain times of the year the sunrise and sunset glare is almost blinding at peak hours, which makes navigation of this road more difficult. At peak periods it is already difficult to turn right from William Street onto the Pacific Highway, as traffic is continually banked back along the highway from the main intersection with George Street to well past William Street.
Joan dennis
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Joan dennis
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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I have many concerns about this Development Application for 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby.
This is an old Heritage home in the Mt Errington Heritage present that is a special part of Hornsby.
This is a residential area and should remain residential.
The noise from the school would affect the amenity of the whole area and the character of the area would be lost.
Noise generated by the school would be heard though out the valley.
Cars and parking would be a major problem. William Street and Dural Streets are narrow and are clogged with traffic now, adding up to another 80 cars both morning and afternoon would make this even worse. Both William & Dural Streets are used by commuters leaving their cars there to use the trains. Any day we try to drive in or out using these two streets you have to give way to other traffic by having to pull over into driveways to allow the other vehicles through. William Street and Rosemead Road are used by heavy trucks to access the Water Treatment Works down in Valley Road. Add this to the proposed development on the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Rd and the traffic this will generate, the roads on the west side of Hornsby will not cope.
Trees - the removal of more trees after the Angophora that was removed in November would be detriment to the Conservation Heritage area we are supposed to be in. Too think a tree like that could be removed for no apparent reason.We have a large Angophora in our driveway that has caused damage to both our cars as it is now impending onto the access driveway into our property but Council would not allow us to have it removed.
This is a Bushfire Prone area and adding a school to our already congested streets would make evacuation of the area even harder. There is only one way out and that is up William Street.
I strongly oppose this Development.
This is an old Heritage home in the Mt Errington Heritage present that is a special part of Hornsby.
This is a residential area and should remain residential.
The noise from the school would affect the amenity of the whole area and the character of the area would be lost.
Noise generated by the school would be heard though out the valley.
Cars and parking would be a major problem. William Street and Dural Streets are narrow and are clogged with traffic now, adding up to another 80 cars both morning and afternoon would make this even worse. Both William & Dural Streets are used by commuters leaving their cars there to use the trains. Any day we try to drive in or out using these two streets you have to give way to other traffic by having to pull over into driveways to allow the other vehicles through. William Street and Rosemead Road are used by heavy trucks to access the Water Treatment Works down in Valley Road. Add this to the proposed development on the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Rd and the traffic this will generate, the roads on the west side of Hornsby will not cope.
Trees - the removal of more trees after the Angophora that was removed in November would be detriment to the Conservation Heritage area we are supposed to be in. Too think a tree like that could be removed for no apparent reason.We have a large Angophora in our driveway that has caused damage to both our cars as it is now impending onto the access driveway into our property but Council would not allow us to have it removed.
This is a Bushfire Prone area and adding a school to our already congested streets would make evacuation of the area even harder. There is only one way out and that is up William Street.
I strongly oppose this Development.
Jo-Ann Moffat
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Jo-Ann Moffat
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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I object to this project on the following grounds.
1. The Hornsby West Side Heritage Conservation area (Mt. Errington Precinct) is aptly named after the property this state development refers to - at 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby. Change of use to a preschool/primary school and all the proposed changes in this development to the property therefore should be considered firstly with extreme caution as to the detrimental effect these changes may have on the heritage of the home, gardens and surrounding precinct of which are all listed heritage items and of great importance to our community.
2. The gardens of 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby are heritage listed. The removal of 42 trees of which fill our neighbourhood skyline offering a perch for native birds, a wind break for the high winds our location receives are proposed to be cut down to make way for a carpark. This will change the heritage ambience of the gardens of 1 Rosemead Rd and the streetscape giving full view across to the Pacific Highway (Peats Ferry Rd) of the recently approved and soon to be developed 25 storey high tower blocks. This will change the heritage ambience of Rosemead Rd. The State Heritage inventory states the following; Fine Federation house with remnant period garden. Significant elements including fine diagonal pattern timber gates on heavy posts and lozenge shape brown gravel drive with brick gutter edging. Tall Bunya Pine (to 25m from c1900) is sited on the nature strip. An English Oak (to 14m from c1930?) and large Palm clump (Possibly from c1930#s) are significant. Also of note are the Smooth Bark Angophora (16m) and Red Bloodwood (c14m) as well as trees from c1950/60#s. These include Liquid Amber (C16m) and Lemon scented gum. Also Camphor Laurels to 12m in street. Also more recently the garden has been underplanted with native shrubs with the more traditional Azaleas. It is our responsiblity to keep and nuture our heritage!
2. The home of Mt Errington is of heritage significance . The school proposes amongst many changes to add on a toilet block and an external fire staircase. Remove the trees and these structures will be in full view from the street. The addition of these structures will surely take from the heritage value of the home and its gardens.
3. The heritage value of the local precinct (Mt. Errington Precinct) will be visually jeopardised by the addiditon of school street signage and will likely bring school zone flashing lights to Dural St, William Street and Rosemead Rd, no parking signs, no stopping signs, parking limit signs, slow down children signs, school name signs, entrance and exit signs to/from driveways. The removal of the trees onsite will change the ambience of the streetscape and no longer provide the pleasurable walkers route that so many from across the railway line come to enjoy on morning and afternoon walks. Do not underestimate the beauty of The Mt Errington heritage precint and the changes proposed by Blue Gum Community School that will rob our local residents and visitors of what we have come to cherish, enjoy and rightfully want to protect.
4. The school will bring additional traffic and parking issues that our surrounding streets Dural, William, Frederick and Rosemead will not withstand. Our surrounding streets are already congested with Hornsby rail computer parking. Peats Ferry Rd into Dural Street already has a no turn restricted timeframe imposed which forces traffic up William Street. The middle section of Dural Street is also oneway. The westeren end of William Street (closest to the proposed Blue Gum School) is heavily treelined with obscured driveways and streets full with commuter parking. William Street also has a major zig zag in place to avoid large trees. There are many areas on William Street and Dural Street where cars cannot pass causing an unsafe duck n weave situation. Additional traffic during peak hours (consistent with school drop off and pick up times) will cause further mayhem to the already congested surrounding streets.
5. I have watched emergency vehicles unable to access Rosemead Rd on more than one occasion due to the conjestion of parked cars in the vicinity of the intersection of Lisgar Rd and Dural St. I have great concerns for the 80 students, staff and visitors in the case of a medical emergency or evacuation due to fire. I reside at 8 Rosemead Rd and have burnt out tree stumps at my boundary fence from the bush fire of 1957 which swept up Galston Gorge in the high winds our location receives. Fire poses a real threat and already congested roads do not offer a speedy route out of the area.
6. Another private school is not needed in our neighbourhood. Barker College Hornsby on the Pacific Highway has recently gone co-ed offering education from K-12. There are already other preschools that offer long day care within close proximity to Hornsby Station on the Western Side namely Uniting Sarah's Place on William Street, Hornsby Montessori School at 6 Dural Street, MindChamps Early Learning at 241 Peats Ferry Rd, Jack n Jill at 1 Hall Rd. Another preschool is not required. Another private primary school is not required.
I wish to conclude that 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby is not a suitable location for a preschool or primary. It will be detrimental to the heritage of Mt Errington Precinct and add to the traffic problems in surrounding streets.
Yours Sincerley
Jo-Ann Moffat
1. The Hornsby West Side Heritage Conservation area (Mt. Errington Precinct) is aptly named after the property this state development refers to - at 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby. Change of use to a preschool/primary school and all the proposed changes in this development to the property therefore should be considered firstly with extreme caution as to the detrimental effect these changes may have on the heritage of the home, gardens and surrounding precinct of which are all listed heritage items and of great importance to our community.
2. The gardens of 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby are heritage listed. The removal of 42 trees of which fill our neighbourhood skyline offering a perch for native birds, a wind break for the high winds our location receives are proposed to be cut down to make way for a carpark. This will change the heritage ambience of the gardens of 1 Rosemead Rd and the streetscape giving full view across to the Pacific Highway (Peats Ferry Rd) of the recently approved and soon to be developed 25 storey high tower blocks. This will change the heritage ambience of Rosemead Rd. The State Heritage inventory states the following; Fine Federation house with remnant period garden. Significant elements including fine diagonal pattern timber gates on heavy posts and lozenge shape brown gravel drive with brick gutter edging. Tall Bunya Pine (to 25m from c1900) is sited on the nature strip. An English Oak (to 14m from c1930?) and large Palm clump (Possibly from c1930#s) are significant. Also of note are the Smooth Bark Angophora (16m) and Red Bloodwood (c14m) as well as trees from c1950/60#s. These include Liquid Amber (C16m) and Lemon scented gum. Also Camphor Laurels to 12m in street. Also more recently the garden has been underplanted with native shrubs with the more traditional Azaleas. It is our responsiblity to keep and nuture our heritage!
2. The home of Mt Errington is of heritage significance . The school proposes amongst many changes to add on a toilet block and an external fire staircase. Remove the trees and these structures will be in full view from the street. The addition of these structures will surely take from the heritage value of the home and its gardens.
3. The heritage value of the local precinct (Mt. Errington Precinct) will be visually jeopardised by the addiditon of school street signage and will likely bring school zone flashing lights to Dural St, William Street and Rosemead Rd, no parking signs, no stopping signs, parking limit signs, slow down children signs, school name signs, entrance and exit signs to/from driveways. The removal of the trees onsite will change the ambience of the streetscape and no longer provide the pleasurable walkers route that so many from across the railway line come to enjoy on morning and afternoon walks. Do not underestimate the beauty of The Mt Errington heritage precint and the changes proposed by Blue Gum Community School that will rob our local residents and visitors of what we have come to cherish, enjoy and rightfully want to protect.
4. The school will bring additional traffic and parking issues that our surrounding streets Dural, William, Frederick and Rosemead will not withstand. Our surrounding streets are already congested with Hornsby rail computer parking. Peats Ferry Rd into Dural Street already has a no turn restricted timeframe imposed which forces traffic up William Street. The middle section of Dural Street is also oneway. The westeren end of William Street (closest to the proposed Blue Gum School) is heavily treelined with obscured driveways and streets full with commuter parking. William Street also has a major zig zag in place to avoid large trees. There are many areas on William Street and Dural Street where cars cannot pass causing an unsafe duck n weave situation. Additional traffic during peak hours (consistent with school drop off and pick up times) will cause further mayhem to the already congested surrounding streets.
5. I have watched emergency vehicles unable to access Rosemead Rd on more than one occasion due to the conjestion of parked cars in the vicinity of the intersection of Lisgar Rd and Dural St. I have great concerns for the 80 students, staff and visitors in the case of a medical emergency or evacuation due to fire. I reside at 8 Rosemead Rd and have burnt out tree stumps at my boundary fence from the bush fire of 1957 which swept up Galston Gorge in the high winds our location receives. Fire poses a real threat and already congested roads do not offer a speedy route out of the area.
6. Another private school is not needed in our neighbourhood. Barker College Hornsby on the Pacific Highway has recently gone co-ed offering education from K-12. There are already other preschools that offer long day care within close proximity to Hornsby Station on the Western Side namely Uniting Sarah's Place on William Street, Hornsby Montessori School at 6 Dural Street, MindChamps Early Learning at 241 Peats Ferry Rd, Jack n Jill at 1 Hall Rd. Another preschool is not required. Another private primary school is not required.
I wish to conclude that 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby is not a suitable location for a preschool or primary. It will be detrimental to the heritage of Mt Errington Precinct and add to the traffic problems in surrounding streets.
Yours Sincerley
Jo-Ann Moffat
Hornsby Conservation Society Inc
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Hornsby Conservation Society Inc
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Graeme Wells
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Graeme Wells
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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This is a submission to the Department and is same as the previous one lodged with Council in January. See attached.
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John Dennis
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John Dennis
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HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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I have many concerns about this development at 1 Rosemead Rd Hornsby.
Traffic and Parking - Cars and parking would be a major problem. William St and Dural St's are narrow and are clogged with traffic now, adding up to another 80 cars both morning and afternoon would make this even worse. Both William & Dural Streets up to and including parts of Rosemead Rd are used now by commuters parking and leaving their cars there all day to use the trains. Any day we try to drive out using these streets we have to give way to other cars by having to pull over to the left and stop to allow other cars through coming from the opposite direction. Add this to the recently approved development (DA/201/2018) of an 18 storey and a 9 storey tower comprising 200 residential units on the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Road and the traffic this will generate, the roads on the west side of Hornsby are going to be clogged. An independent Traffic Report has been attached to a submission by another concerned neighbor.
Noise, Amenity and Heritage - With 80 school children, noise from the school will effect the amenity of the area and will be comprised. It is noted that in this submission that this is also to be a long day care centre from 8.00am to 6.00pm and I understand could be extended to the hours of 6.00am to 6.30pm.
Tree Canopy - The significant loss of more trees given that a large Angophora has already been taken down in November 2019 will be to the detriment to the Hornsby West Side Heritage Conservation Area and the Mt Errington Heritage Precinct. Mt Errington being the name given to the stately Heritage Home which was built in the 1800's.
Fire Risk - This is a bushfire prone area and in the case of an emergency evacuation the safest way is via William Street and school traffic would add to existing residents trying to make their way out.
I strongly appose this proposed development.
Traffic and Parking - Cars and parking would be a major problem. William St and Dural St's are narrow and are clogged with traffic now, adding up to another 80 cars both morning and afternoon would make this even worse. Both William & Dural Streets up to and including parts of Rosemead Rd are used now by commuters parking and leaving their cars there all day to use the trains. Any day we try to drive out using these streets we have to give way to other cars by having to pull over to the left and stop to allow other cars through coming from the opposite direction. Add this to the recently approved development (DA/201/2018) of an 18 storey and a 9 storey tower comprising 200 residential units on the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Road and the traffic this will generate, the roads on the west side of Hornsby are going to be clogged. An independent Traffic Report has been attached to a submission by another concerned neighbor.
Noise, Amenity and Heritage - With 80 school children, noise from the school will effect the amenity of the area and will be comprised. It is noted that in this submission that this is also to be a long day care centre from 8.00am to 6.00pm and I understand could be extended to the hours of 6.00am to 6.30pm.
Tree Canopy - The significant loss of more trees given that a large Angophora has already been taken down in November 2019 will be to the detriment to the Hornsby West Side Heritage Conservation Area and the Mt Errington Heritage Precinct. Mt Errington being the name given to the stately Heritage Home which was built in the 1800's.
Fire Risk - This is a bushfire prone area and in the case of an emergency evacuation the safest way is via William Street and school traffic would add to existing residents trying to make their way out.
I strongly appose this proposed development.
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Beecroft
,
New South Wales
Message
I am very concerned about the number of heritage listed properties (particularly this one at Mount Errington House) which are being purchased and converted into child care centres. Some examples follow:
1. 179 Beecroft Road and The Promenade Cheltenham (1972 sqm) − the old Cheltenham Community Church was sold by Council for $3.000m in April 2015. A DA was lodged in September 2016 for a $2.500m ‘ADAPTIVE RE-USE AND ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS OF THE EXISTING HERITAGE LISTED CHURCH BUILDING FOR USE AS A CHILD CARE CENTRE FOR 60 CHILDREN’. It opened for business in July 2020. As at September 2019 I understand $2.511m of the sale proceeds were held in Council’s restricted asset account, yet to be spent on the local 2119 community.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-cheltenham-119434879
Development DA/1159/2016 – Hornsby Shire Council – Tic Investments NSW Pty Ltd (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=664697
Media
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/old-congregational-church-site-goes-under-the-hammer-for-3m/news-story/25ae9f00c2e935606c2ccadebbca9e40
Operator - Sydney Early Education Childcare
https://www.educhildcare.com.au/cheltenham-centre/
Heritage
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/pages/xc.track.heritage/heritage.aspx?id=19457
2. 181-183 Beecroft Road and Cheltenham Road Cheltenham (3136 sqm) – the property next door to the old Cheltenham Community Church sold for $5.100m in October 2017. Only part of the garden is heritage listed. A DA was lodged in April 2020 for a $1.837m ‘ALTERATIONS & ADDITIONS TO EXISTING DWELLING & CHANGE OF USE TO A CHILD CARE CENTRE FOR 70 CHILDREN’. The current DA status is ‘awaiting information’, however in June 2020 The Beecroft Cheltenham Civic Trust, Beecroft Cheltenham History Group and Byles Creek Valley Union requested an Interim Heritage Order over the site through the Department of Premier and Cabinet with the support of the Council.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/183-beecroft-rd-cheltenham-nsw-2119
Development DA/259/2020 – Hornsby Shire Council - Tic Investments NSW Pty Ltd Atf Investment Trust (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=967307
Media
https://www.domain.com.au/news/top-federations-houses-in-sydney-20161023-gs8zez/?fbclid=IwAR2bAInyVfCFz73BnE5zy9ywXoaQ3y4FL_IiU83hu8mDMV1iQavBI6E2qv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOuoTg8LfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xFM7abOHc
Operator - TBA
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/temp/001_005X_0K1T12KIPTU_MHVFQEGZ.PDF
Heritage
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/pages/xc.track.heritage/heritage.aspx?id=24998
Note – These two properties hold the 1st and 8th highest sales on record in Cheltenham.
3. Chatham House at Great North Road and Walton Crescent Abbotsford (1400 sqm) − the heritage listed property sold for $3.900m in October 2017. It appears the DA for $1.479m conversion to child care centre was rejected by Council and then the LEC in March 2018, but relodged in June 2018 and finally approved by IHAP in November 2019 with Council issuing deferred commencement approval in January 2019. Construction is underway with the opening scheduled for the first half of 2020.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-abbotsford-122383510
Development DA2018/0162 – Canada Bay Council - Otium Capital DT Pty Ltd (applicant)
http://datracking.canadabay.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=257848
Media
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/land-and-environment-court-rejects-childcare-centre-plans-at-chatham-estate/news-story/4e1cf29d9647e32d594536141452306c
Operator - Explore & Develop Childcare
https://exploreanddevelop.com.au/explore-develop-abbotsford/
Heritage
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=2891202
4. Mount Errington House at 1 Rosemead Road Hornsby (3623 sqm) – the heritage listed property sold for $2.9m in July 2019. A DA was lodged in December 2019 for $0.092m for ‘CHANGE DWELLING TO A PRESCHOOL CENTRE AND SMALL PRIMARY SCHOOL – HERITAGE’ but withdrawn by the accredited certifier in March 2020 as it involved a school component. It was exhibited as a State Significant Development in June 2019 is now to be determined by DOPIE with submissions closing in July 2020.
Sale Data
https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/nsw/hornsby-2077/1-rosemead-rd-hornsby-nsw-2077-2495977
Development DA/1119/2019 – Hornsby Shire Council - Blue Gum Community School (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=948429
State Significant Development SSD-10444 - Blue Gum Community School (applicant)
https://www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au/major-projects/project/30021
Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42nzjcDFTlc
Operator - Blue Gum Community School
https://www.bluegumcommunityschool.com/
Heritage
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=1780733
I find this trend very concerning, given child care workers are amongst the lowest paid workers in our community, but operators/developers seem able to snap up multi-million dollar heritage properties and develop them into child care facilities.
This needs to be investigated in relation to the State Significant Development application for Mount Errington House.
1. 179 Beecroft Road and The Promenade Cheltenham (1972 sqm) − the old Cheltenham Community Church was sold by Council for $3.000m in April 2015. A DA was lodged in September 2016 for a $2.500m ‘ADAPTIVE RE-USE AND ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS OF THE EXISTING HERITAGE LISTED CHURCH BUILDING FOR USE AS A CHILD CARE CENTRE FOR 60 CHILDREN’. It opened for business in July 2020. As at September 2019 I understand $2.511m of the sale proceeds were held in Council’s restricted asset account, yet to be spent on the local 2119 community.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-cheltenham-119434879
Development DA/1159/2016 – Hornsby Shire Council – Tic Investments NSW Pty Ltd (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=664697
Media
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/old-congregational-church-site-goes-under-the-hammer-for-3m/news-story/25ae9f00c2e935606c2ccadebbca9e40
Operator - Sydney Early Education Childcare
https://www.educhildcare.com.au/cheltenham-centre/
Heritage
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/pages/xc.track.heritage/heritage.aspx?id=19457
2. 181-183 Beecroft Road and Cheltenham Road Cheltenham (3136 sqm) – the property next door to the old Cheltenham Community Church sold for $5.100m in October 2017. Only part of the garden is heritage listed. A DA was lodged in April 2020 for a $1.837m ‘ALTERATIONS & ADDITIONS TO EXISTING DWELLING & CHANGE OF USE TO A CHILD CARE CENTRE FOR 70 CHILDREN’. The current DA status is ‘awaiting information’, however in June 2020 The Beecroft Cheltenham Civic Trust, Beecroft Cheltenham History Group and Byles Creek Valley Union requested an Interim Heritage Order over the site through the Department of Premier and Cabinet with the support of the Council.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/183-beecroft-rd-cheltenham-nsw-2119
Development DA/259/2020 – Hornsby Shire Council - Tic Investments NSW Pty Ltd Atf Investment Trust (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=967307
Media
https://www.domain.com.au/news/top-federations-houses-in-sydney-20161023-gs8zez/?fbclid=IwAR2bAInyVfCFz73BnE5zy9ywXoaQ3y4FL_IiU83hu8mDMV1iQavBI6E2qv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOuoTg8LfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xFM7abOHc
Operator - TBA
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/temp/001_005X_0K1T12KIPTU_MHVFQEGZ.PDF
Heritage
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/pages/xc.track.heritage/heritage.aspx?id=24998
Note – These two properties hold the 1st and 8th highest sales on record in Cheltenham.
3. Chatham House at Great North Road and Walton Crescent Abbotsford (1400 sqm) − the heritage listed property sold for $3.900m in October 2017. It appears the DA for $1.479m conversion to child care centre was rejected by Council and then the LEC in March 2018, but relodged in June 2018 and finally approved by IHAP in November 2019 with Council issuing deferred commencement approval in January 2019. Construction is underway with the opening scheduled for the first half of 2020.
Sale Data
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-abbotsford-122383510
Development DA2018/0162 – Canada Bay Council - Otium Capital DT Pty Ltd (applicant)
http://datracking.canadabay.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=257848
Media
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/land-and-environment-court-rejects-childcare-centre-plans-at-chatham-estate/news-story/4e1cf29d9647e32d594536141452306c
Operator - Explore & Develop Childcare
https://exploreanddevelop.com.au/explore-develop-abbotsford/
Heritage
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=2891202
4. Mount Errington House at 1 Rosemead Road Hornsby (3623 sqm) – the heritage listed property sold for $2.9m in July 2019. A DA was lodged in December 2019 for $0.092m for ‘CHANGE DWELLING TO A PRESCHOOL CENTRE AND SMALL PRIMARY SCHOOL – HERITAGE’ but withdrawn by the accredited certifier in March 2020 as it involved a school component. It was exhibited as a State Significant Development in June 2019 is now to be determined by DOPIE with submissions closing in July 2020.
Sale Data
https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/nsw/hornsby-2077/1-rosemead-rd-hornsby-nsw-2077-2495977
Development DA/1119/2019 – Hornsby Shire Council - Blue Gum Community School (applicant)
http://hscenquiry.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=948429
State Significant Development SSD-10444 - Blue Gum Community School (applicant)
https://www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au/major-projects/project/30021
Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42nzjcDFTlc
Operator - Blue Gum Community School
https://www.bluegumcommunityschool.com/
Heritage
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=1780733
I find this trend very concerning, given child care workers are amongst the lowest paid workers in our community, but operators/developers seem able to snap up multi-million dollar heritage properties and develop them into child care facilities.
This needs to be investigated in relation to the State Significant Development application for Mount Errington House.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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This is a heritage listed residential property never intended for use as a business.
There is already a junior school (Steiner) at the top of Dural St and a pre-school on William Street at the Uniting Church. I am concerned that the addition of another school with the associated traffic movement will adversely impact the access to residential properties in Rosemead Road and William Street.
Both William Street and Rosemead Road are congested from very early in the morning (5.30 to 18.30) by commuters using Hornsby Station, Both sides of the roads are used for parking, leaving one lane for traffic which is already proving extremely difficult for residents. The addition of only a few more vehicles using the roads will prove both difficult and dangerous for other road users.
Both William Street and Rosemead Road have significant amounts of foliage in the nature strip betwen the footpath and the road. Pedestrian movement is not visible from the road and I have grave concerns forthe safety of any children using the footpaths on William stret and Rosemead Road.
Thankyou.
There is already a junior school (Steiner) at the top of Dural St and a pre-school on William Street at the Uniting Church. I am concerned that the addition of another school with the associated traffic movement will adversely impact the access to residential properties in Rosemead Road and William Street.
Both William Street and Rosemead Road are congested from very early in the morning (5.30 to 18.30) by commuters using Hornsby Station, Both sides of the roads are used for parking, leaving one lane for traffic which is already proving extremely difficult for residents. The addition of only a few more vehicles using the roads will prove both difficult and dangerous for other road users.
Both William Street and Rosemead Road have significant amounts of foliage in the nature strip betwen the footpath and the road. Pedestrian movement is not visible from the road and I have grave concerns forthe safety of any children using the footpaths on William stret and Rosemead Road.
Thankyou.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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I am concerned about the number of trees that will be removed, this will greatly impact the natural beauty of the area as we are are known as the Bushland Shire tree destruction goes against the very nature of this area. Shrubs and bushes do not replace mature trees.
The surrounding streets are narrow and with many cars parked on each side of William Street on coming cars currently need to move in between parked cars to allow others to pass. An increase in traffic to Blue Gum Community School will greatly impact on the traffic flow causing congestion.
I am concerned that the recently approved development of two tower blocks has the potential to cause severe traffic congestion in both Dural and William Street, compounding the effect of the additional vehicle load caused by the patrons of the Blue Gum Community School.
The surrounding streets are narrow and with many cars parked on each side of William Street on coming cars currently need to move in between parked cars to allow others to pass. An increase in traffic to Blue Gum Community School will greatly impact on the traffic flow causing congestion.
I am concerned that the recently approved development of two tower blocks has the potential to cause severe traffic congestion in both Dural and William Street, compounding the effect of the additional vehicle load caused by the patrons of the Blue Gum Community School.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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I wish to voice my concern regarding the proposed commercial development for 1 Rosemead Road, Hornsby. I believe it would significantly reduce the heritage value of this historical property. I have also concerns for parking and traffic congestion.
This home was declared to be of historical value by council and residents when it was listed “heritage” under the Mt Errington Heritage Conservation area. A commercial operation of this size on this property would detract from its heritage value. The proposed fire escape is unsightly and has a negative impact on the building. Also street signage and fencing required for the school will detract from the neighbourhood.
Although off-street parking is proposed, as in most of our local schools and childcare centres, there is never enough parking provided for the permanent staff let alone for visitors or parents. With Hornsby station being so close, the streets are continually filled with cars from commuters. The residents, carers and visitors of the local nursing homes also use and need these streets for parking. William Street is often reduced to one lane as there is often cars parked on both sides of the street. As the street runs from east to west it is often difficult to see, as the glare from the sun at sunset and sunrise is so intense which corresponds to peak hours at certain times of the year, which could exacerbate traffic flow along the street. There may also be increased demand for street parking at the top of Rosemead Road (from staff and parents visiting the school) which is often quite full already with local residents parking.
At peak periods it is also difficult to turn right from William Street onto the Peats Ferry Road, because of severe congestion up to George Street. The additional traffic from a commercial business of the proposed scale would make the situation far worse.
This home was declared to be of historical value by council and residents when it was listed “heritage” under the Mt Errington Heritage Conservation area. A commercial operation of this size on this property would detract from its heritage value. The proposed fire escape is unsightly and has a negative impact on the building. Also street signage and fencing required for the school will detract from the neighbourhood.
Although off-street parking is proposed, as in most of our local schools and childcare centres, there is never enough parking provided for the permanent staff let alone for visitors or parents. With Hornsby station being so close, the streets are continually filled with cars from commuters. The residents, carers and visitors of the local nursing homes also use and need these streets for parking. William Street is often reduced to one lane as there is often cars parked on both sides of the street. As the street runs from east to west it is often difficult to see, as the glare from the sun at sunset and sunrise is so intense which corresponds to peak hours at certain times of the year, which could exacerbate traffic flow along the street. There may also be increased demand for street parking at the top of Rosemead Road (from staff and parents visiting the school) which is often quite full already with local residents parking.
At peak periods it is also difficult to turn right from William Street onto the Peats Ferry Road, because of severe congestion up to George Street. The additional traffic from a commercial business of the proposed scale would make the situation far worse.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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OBJECTION - BLUE GUM HIGH SCHOOL - CHANGE DWELLING TO A PRESCHOOL CENTRE AND SMALL PRIMARY SCHOOL - HERITAGE
I would like to object to the above proposal based on the following issues:
- Size of facility
- Traffic Access Report
- Access from Rosemead Road
- Tree removal and replacement
- Time of use
Size of facility
The proposal is for a combined Preschool and Primary School for up to 80 children including a 32-place preschool (3-5 year olds) and a 48 place primary school (6 - 12 year olds). this exceeds Council’s DCP requirements as per Table 7.1.2(b): Intensity of Child care centres by Location
which sets a maximum of 60 children with at least 33% 0-2 years old
Traffic Access Report
The traffic Access report prepared to support the DA is inadequate. The study does not address the existing traffic conditions on William Street and Dural Streets. These roads are constrained by road width and alignment and the traffic report does not consider the impact of the DA on these roads. The study over estimates the number of walking trips to the school from the rail station. The station is almost 1km away and most children are likely to be dropped by car.
Access from Rosemead Road
The DA proposal is for cars to access the site via a one way driveway with entrance and exit off Rosemead Road. The intersection of Rosemead and William is a blind corner and is unsuitable for the volume of vehicles proposed.
Tree removal and replacement
The DA proposes to remove a significant number of Blackbutt trees (E. pilularis) from the rear of the site to allow construction of car park. The DA does not propose to replace these trees. It is noted that the character of the Mt Errington area is defined by Blackbutt trees and the DA must be conditioned to replace any of these trees that are removed. Recommend the car park be relocated to eastern boundary of site to avoid loss of Blackbutts
Time of use
Request the proposal be conditioned to limit use of the grounds and buildings to weekdays only to avoid heavy use on weekends.
I would like to object to the above proposal based on the following issues:
- Size of facility
- Traffic Access Report
- Access from Rosemead Road
- Tree removal and replacement
- Time of use
Size of facility
The proposal is for a combined Preschool and Primary School for up to 80 children including a 32-place preschool (3-5 year olds) and a 48 place primary school (6 - 12 year olds). this exceeds Council’s DCP requirements as per Table 7.1.2(b): Intensity of Child care centres by Location
which sets a maximum of 60 children with at least 33% 0-2 years old
Traffic Access Report
The traffic Access report prepared to support the DA is inadequate. The study does not address the existing traffic conditions on William Street and Dural Streets. These roads are constrained by road width and alignment and the traffic report does not consider the impact of the DA on these roads. The study over estimates the number of walking trips to the school from the rail station. The station is almost 1km away and most children are likely to be dropped by car.
Access from Rosemead Road
The DA proposal is for cars to access the site via a one way driveway with entrance and exit off Rosemead Road. The intersection of Rosemead and William is a blind corner and is unsuitable for the volume of vehicles proposed.
Tree removal and replacement
The DA proposes to remove a significant number of Blackbutt trees (E. pilularis) from the rear of the site to allow construction of car park. The DA does not propose to replace these trees. It is noted that the character of the Mt Errington area is defined by Blackbutt trees and the DA must be conditioned to replace any of these trees that are removed. Recommend the car park be relocated to eastern boundary of site to avoid loss of Blackbutts
Time of use
Request the proposal be conditioned to limit use of the grounds and buildings to weekdays only to avoid heavy use on weekends.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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I have concerns about the increase in traffic, particularly relating to the increased traffic using the intersections of:
1. William Street & Lisgar Street; and
2. William Street & Rosemead Road.
1. William Street & Lisgar Street intersection.
The current intersection of William Street and Lisgar Street is horrendously unsafe. On multiple occasions, I have seen drivers cross over onto the wrong side of the road completely when attempting to navigate this intersection. If any cars are turning from Lisgar Road onto William Street, their vehicles cross over well onto the wrong side of William Road. Likewise, for any vehicles turning from William Street onto Lisgar Road, their vehicles cross over onto the wrong side of Lisgar Road. Adding the traffic control bumps on the road hasn’t assisted in increasing the safety of the intersection. The intersection needs to be widened to allow safe passage of cars driving along William Street, and to allow safe turning space for cars turning into and out of Lisgar Street. Particularly given the proposal of increased traffic, this intersection is a disaster waiting to happen.
2. William Street & Rosemead Road intersection.
Due to the curve of Rosemead Road, when a vehicle is on William Street about to turn onto Rosemead Road, it is quite difficult to see whether there is any traffic coming from the East. Similarly, when driving West along Rosemead Road approaching the intersection with William Street, you are unable to see if any cars are turning onto Rosemead Road until you are right at the intersection. Something needs to be considered as to what could make this intersection safer.
Due to these current safety concerns about both of these intersections, I do not think it is safe for children to be walking or riding to school near/through them, or for any additional traffic to be using these intersections.
In addition to the concerns around these specific intersections, most of the streets in this area are essentially one-way streets due to the cars which are constantly parked on the side of the road. Cars frequently have to pull over to allow other cars to pass. Increasing the traffic by 130 cars per day will have a huge impact on all the residential traffic which rely of these streets to access their homes.
Despite the report’s claim that the increase in traffic will remain within the Level of Service guidelines and within the Environmental capacity, a traffic generation potential 130 vehicles per day (as per page 21) is a significant increase. The report states that no infrastructure upgrades will be required, however the safety of the two above-mentioned intersections has not been assessed. Both intersections require infrastructure upgrades to improve the safety for the children of the proposed school, the staff, the parents and the local residents.
In Appendix K – Traffic & Parking Report, it states that “it is likely the majority of traffic will approach the site from Peats Ferry Road onto William Street, right onto Frederick Street, left onto Dural Street, left onto Rosemead Road” (page 21). This statement doesn’t mention two other options:
1. That this traffic approaching from the East (Peats Ferry Road direction) also have the option to turn right onto Lisgar Road instead of Frederick Street; and
2. That traffic may also be coming from the other direction, from the large residential catchment area which they also expect to draw children from (as stated on page 23). As the school parking and drop-off zone are proposed to be accessed via a “Left-in/left-out” entrance from Rosemead Road, the report should consider that traffic to the school will also come from the West or South of the school (including the rest of Rosemead Road, Lowanna Place, Lockinvar Place, Valley Road, Lochness Place etc). Traffic coming West along Rosemead Road would need to turn right onto William Street then left onto Lisgar Street (these vehicles would be highly unlikely to drive the additional long block to turn left onto Frederick Street), then left onto Dural Street, left onto Rosemead Road.
Particularly for this second scenario, use of the William Street & Lisgar Street intersection is highly likely.
In Appendix K – Traffic & Parking Report, it notes that the site is in a large residential catchment area and they would encourage children to walk or ride a bike to the school (page 23). The report notes that “sealed footpaths are provided throughout the local area” (page 16). However, while there are footpaths in the streets to the East, there is a significant lack of continuous footpath networks on all of these above-mentioned streets to the West and South. Some of the roads, like Roadmead Road, you have to cross back and forth over the road in order to walk on the footpath, as neither side of the road has a footpath continuing the whole way along. Other streets, such as Lowanna Place, have no footpaths at all. Therefore it increases the likelihood of increased vehicular traffic rather than foot traffic for any children from this part of the catchment area who may attend the school over the years.
Until these intersections are upgraded to improve safety, and until consideration is given to extending the footpath network, I do not support the proposed development.
1. William Street & Lisgar Street; and
2. William Street & Rosemead Road.
1. William Street & Lisgar Street intersection.
The current intersection of William Street and Lisgar Street is horrendously unsafe. On multiple occasions, I have seen drivers cross over onto the wrong side of the road completely when attempting to navigate this intersection. If any cars are turning from Lisgar Road onto William Street, their vehicles cross over well onto the wrong side of William Road. Likewise, for any vehicles turning from William Street onto Lisgar Road, their vehicles cross over onto the wrong side of Lisgar Road. Adding the traffic control bumps on the road hasn’t assisted in increasing the safety of the intersection. The intersection needs to be widened to allow safe passage of cars driving along William Street, and to allow safe turning space for cars turning into and out of Lisgar Street. Particularly given the proposal of increased traffic, this intersection is a disaster waiting to happen.
2. William Street & Rosemead Road intersection.
Due to the curve of Rosemead Road, when a vehicle is on William Street about to turn onto Rosemead Road, it is quite difficult to see whether there is any traffic coming from the East. Similarly, when driving West along Rosemead Road approaching the intersection with William Street, you are unable to see if any cars are turning onto Rosemead Road until you are right at the intersection. Something needs to be considered as to what could make this intersection safer.
Due to these current safety concerns about both of these intersections, I do not think it is safe for children to be walking or riding to school near/through them, or for any additional traffic to be using these intersections.
In addition to the concerns around these specific intersections, most of the streets in this area are essentially one-way streets due to the cars which are constantly parked on the side of the road. Cars frequently have to pull over to allow other cars to pass. Increasing the traffic by 130 cars per day will have a huge impact on all the residential traffic which rely of these streets to access their homes.
Despite the report’s claim that the increase in traffic will remain within the Level of Service guidelines and within the Environmental capacity, a traffic generation potential 130 vehicles per day (as per page 21) is a significant increase. The report states that no infrastructure upgrades will be required, however the safety of the two above-mentioned intersections has not been assessed. Both intersections require infrastructure upgrades to improve the safety for the children of the proposed school, the staff, the parents and the local residents.
In Appendix K – Traffic & Parking Report, it states that “it is likely the majority of traffic will approach the site from Peats Ferry Road onto William Street, right onto Frederick Street, left onto Dural Street, left onto Rosemead Road” (page 21). This statement doesn’t mention two other options:
1. That this traffic approaching from the East (Peats Ferry Road direction) also have the option to turn right onto Lisgar Road instead of Frederick Street; and
2. That traffic may also be coming from the other direction, from the large residential catchment area which they also expect to draw children from (as stated on page 23). As the school parking and drop-off zone are proposed to be accessed via a “Left-in/left-out” entrance from Rosemead Road, the report should consider that traffic to the school will also come from the West or South of the school (including the rest of Rosemead Road, Lowanna Place, Lockinvar Place, Valley Road, Lochness Place etc). Traffic coming West along Rosemead Road would need to turn right onto William Street then left onto Lisgar Street (these vehicles would be highly unlikely to drive the additional long block to turn left onto Frederick Street), then left onto Dural Street, left onto Rosemead Road.
Particularly for this second scenario, use of the William Street & Lisgar Street intersection is highly likely.
In Appendix K – Traffic & Parking Report, it notes that the site is in a large residential catchment area and they would encourage children to walk or ride a bike to the school (page 23). The report notes that “sealed footpaths are provided throughout the local area” (page 16). However, while there are footpaths in the streets to the East, there is a significant lack of continuous footpath networks on all of these above-mentioned streets to the West and South. Some of the roads, like Roadmead Road, you have to cross back and forth over the road in order to walk on the footpath, as neither side of the road has a footpath continuing the whole way along. Other streets, such as Lowanna Place, have no footpaths at all. Therefore it increases the likelihood of increased vehicular traffic rather than foot traffic for any children from this part of the catchment area who may attend the school over the years.
Until these intersections are upgraded to improve safety, and until consideration is given to extending the footpath network, I do not support the proposed development.
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Schofields
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New South Wales
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Objecting submission attached.
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NGUNNAWAL
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Australian Capital Territory
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Having lived in the area, introducing a childcare onto a peaceful street will create a range of problem from excess traffic, excess noise, ruining the historic value of the area. Traffic in the area will already be impacted by the disappointing approval of residential units on Dural st/pacific hwy, and will probably increase the number of speeding drivers to drop their kids off on time after having to deal with traffic getting off pacific hwy.
Please stop the greed of developers in this area, it was once a proud suburb, but it’s becoming an embarrassment due to mismanaged over development.
It’s important that we protect our local community history, by approving this application you are destroying a valued home I have always looked up to on the street I grew up on.
Please consider the impact the extra traffic will have on the local community, and with excess traffic, road rage and speeding will increase. The road is already quiet narrow with parking on both sides.
On one side of 1 Rosemead road is a home for retired people, I don’t think the noise generated by a childcare will be welcomed, and considering these homes have been active for longer than I lived there, priority should be placed on maintaining a idilic place for these older citizens to reside. The excess traffic will make it harder for people to get parking for guests to the area. This area was not designed for a business setting such as a childcare, it has always been marked as residential and people have bought into the area with those restrictions in place so that there can’t be any business development in the area.
Approving this development will devalue the historic structure of the residence at 1 Rosemead road and its grounds.
Please do not approve this application, help save 1 Rosemead Road as a place for residents to remember as part of our unique history, as it is all that remains of the olds times on Rosemead Road and in part the Hornsby area as Hornsby Council likes to put profit over its people and history and allows the destruction of historic buildings.
Please stop the greed of developers in this area, it was once a proud suburb, but it’s becoming an embarrassment due to mismanaged over development.
It’s important that we protect our local community history, by approving this application you are destroying a valued home I have always looked up to on the street I grew up on.
Please consider the impact the extra traffic will have on the local community, and with excess traffic, road rage and speeding will increase. The road is already quiet narrow with parking on both sides.
On one side of 1 Rosemead road is a home for retired people, I don’t think the noise generated by a childcare will be welcomed, and considering these homes have been active for longer than I lived there, priority should be placed on maintaining a idilic place for these older citizens to reside. The excess traffic will make it harder for people to get parking for guests to the area. This area was not designed for a business setting such as a childcare, it has always been marked as residential and people have bought into the area with those restrictions in place so that there can’t be any business development in the area.
Approving this development will devalue the historic structure of the residence at 1 Rosemead road and its grounds.
Please do not approve this application, help save 1 Rosemead Road as a place for residents to remember as part of our unique history, as it is all that remains of the olds times on Rosemead Road and in part the Hornsby area as Hornsby Council likes to put profit over its people and history and allows the destruction of historic buildings.
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HORNSBY
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New South Wales
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re: SSD-10444 Blue Gum Community School
I object to the proposed development on the following issues:
1) Traffic Congestion
Firstly, the Traffic and Parking assessment in the original DA/1119/2019 concentrates on Rosemead Rd only. Dural, Frederick and William Sts, and Lisgar Rd. are all legitimate routes to the proposed development and yet hardly rate a mention as to the effect the proposed development will have.
The roads surrounding the property, William and Dural Sts., Rosemead Rd., are fairly narrow and can get congested as it is. If the development proceeds, the congestion can only get worse with cars queuing to get into the drop off bay via a right-hand or left-hand turn off Rosemead Rd. Note that the drop off bay is only wide enough for one car and if the first car, or others, are slow to drop off their children, a bottleneck will occur, potentially forcing queued traffic on Rosemead Rd. With all of this happening just tens of metres from the William St. / Rosemead Rd. intersection, the results will be appalling and will result in safety and emergency vehicle access issues as well (see below).
In reality, this proposal cannot be judged as an isolated development. DA/201/2018 for two apartment blocks at the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Rd has now been approved. This development comprises of 200 apartments and parking for 311 cars. Vehicular access to Peats Ferry Rd. is via Dural St. or William St. and Ashley St. / High St., via Frederick St. These are the same access routes that cars will have to take to and from the proposed Blue Gum Community School.
The western ends of Dural and William Sts. are rapidly becoming on-street commuter parking adding further pressure on the area.
2) Safety
The safety of children attending the schools is of paramount importance and congestion can only increase the risk of accidents with severe consequences. One only has to remember what has happened in the past at schools and kindergartens with frustrated parents not taking sufficient care. A lot of these accidents have occurred in areas that have relatively good visibility. The area around the proposed school will have reduced visibility due to the traffic congestion, narrow streets and large trees. In other areas at school opening and closing times I've seen blatant disregard of road rules including double parking, leaving an unattended vehicle in the middle of the road. Drivers and residents become frustrated and this can spill over into criminal behaviour.
3) Emergency Vehicle Access
It must be remembered that emergency vehicles must have a minimum of 3.5 metres width clearance on a road. Within the immediate area of the proposed school there are two retirement premises. Also to be remembered is that Rosemead Rd is one of the access routes to bush surrounding Waitara and Berowra Creeks. So emergency vehicles include RFS trucks as well as regular fire engines, ambulances and police cars need free access. One only has to see the results of recent bushfires to know how important this access is.
4) Noise
I realise that children are inherently noisy and need to blow off steam, but adjacent residents will have greatly increased noise levels to contend with. This will extend beyond school opening times as, presumably, there will be after school functions. Extra noise from cars with the slamming of doors and horns.
5) The Traffic and Parking Assessment Report of DA/1119/2019 has a number of assumptions and misrepresentations.
a) "...must sign their children enrolled at the preschool in/out at the start/end of the day. These parents will utilise the rear parking area...." Let's hope they don't resort to illegally parking on the streets.
b) " One-way westbound restriction on Dural St. between Quarry Rd. and Lisgar Rd." Westbound traffic is permitted, eastbound is not.
c) Saying that people are typically willing to walk up to 800m to get to public transport doesn't really apply when pushing, carrying or walking a child!
d) Existing traffic monitoring was only done at one location, adjacent to no. 4 Rosemead Rd. No figures were provided for William St. which handles traffic from Rosemead Rd. in both directions. In fact the traffic to and from this proposed school will have to use William St. at some point in their journey.
5) Removal of a large number of trees will be detrimental to the environment and to the amenity of this area.
Thank you for considering my objections.
I have made no reportable political donations in the last two years.
I object to the proposed development on the following issues:
1) Traffic Congestion
Firstly, the Traffic and Parking assessment in the original DA/1119/2019 concentrates on Rosemead Rd only. Dural, Frederick and William Sts, and Lisgar Rd. are all legitimate routes to the proposed development and yet hardly rate a mention as to the effect the proposed development will have.
The roads surrounding the property, William and Dural Sts., Rosemead Rd., are fairly narrow and can get congested as it is. If the development proceeds, the congestion can only get worse with cars queuing to get into the drop off bay via a right-hand or left-hand turn off Rosemead Rd. Note that the drop off bay is only wide enough for one car and if the first car, or others, are slow to drop off their children, a bottleneck will occur, potentially forcing queued traffic on Rosemead Rd. With all of this happening just tens of metres from the William St. / Rosemead Rd. intersection, the results will be appalling and will result in safety and emergency vehicle access issues as well (see below).
In reality, this proposal cannot be judged as an isolated development. DA/201/2018 for two apartment blocks at the corner of Dural St and Peats Ferry Rd has now been approved. This development comprises of 200 apartments and parking for 311 cars. Vehicular access to Peats Ferry Rd. is via Dural St. or William St. and Ashley St. / High St., via Frederick St. These are the same access routes that cars will have to take to and from the proposed Blue Gum Community School.
The western ends of Dural and William Sts. are rapidly becoming on-street commuter parking adding further pressure on the area.
2) Safety
The safety of children attending the schools is of paramount importance and congestion can only increase the risk of accidents with severe consequences. One only has to remember what has happened in the past at schools and kindergartens with frustrated parents not taking sufficient care. A lot of these accidents have occurred in areas that have relatively good visibility. The area around the proposed school will have reduced visibility due to the traffic congestion, narrow streets and large trees. In other areas at school opening and closing times I've seen blatant disregard of road rules including double parking, leaving an unattended vehicle in the middle of the road. Drivers and residents become frustrated and this can spill over into criminal behaviour.
3) Emergency Vehicle Access
It must be remembered that emergency vehicles must have a minimum of 3.5 metres width clearance on a road. Within the immediate area of the proposed school there are two retirement premises. Also to be remembered is that Rosemead Rd is one of the access routes to bush surrounding Waitara and Berowra Creeks. So emergency vehicles include RFS trucks as well as regular fire engines, ambulances and police cars need free access. One only has to see the results of recent bushfires to know how important this access is.
4) Noise
I realise that children are inherently noisy and need to blow off steam, but adjacent residents will have greatly increased noise levels to contend with. This will extend beyond school opening times as, presumably, there will be after school functions. Extra noise from cars with the slamming of doors and horns.
5) The Traffic and Parking Assessment Report of DA/1119/2019 has a number of assumptions and misrepresentations.
a) "...must sign their children enrolled at the preschool in/out at the start/end of the day. These parents will utilise the rear parking area...." Let's hope they don't resort to illegally parking on the streets.
b) " One-way westbound restriction on Dural St. between Quarry Rd. and Lisgar Rd." Westbound traffic is permitted, eastbound is not.
c) Saying that people are typically willing to walk up to 800m to get to public transport doesn't really apply when pushing, carrying or walking a child!
d) Existing traffic monitoring was only done at one location, adjacent to no. 4 Rosemead Rd. No figures were provided for William St. which handles traffic from Rosemead Rd. in both directions. In fact the traffic to and from this proposed school will have to use William St. at some point in their journey.
5) Removal of a large number of trees will be detrimental to the environment and to the amenity of this area.
Thank you for considering my objections.
I have made no reportable political donations in the last two years.
Ross Robinson
Object
Ross Robinson
Object
HORNSBY
,
New South Wales
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Project Details
Application Number
SSD-10444
Assessment Type
State Significant Development
Development Type
Educational establishments
Local Government Areas
Hornsby Shire
Decision
Approved
Determination Date
Decider
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