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State Significant Development

Determination

Lindfield Learning Village

Ku-ring-gai

Current Status: Determination

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  1. SEARs
  2. Prepare EIS
  3. Exhibition
  4. Collate Submissions
  5. Response to Submissions
  6. Assessment
  7. Recommendation
  8. Determination

Subsequent to the partial determination of Phase 1, further consultation and investigation has been undertaken by the Applicant and a final Response to Submissions (RTS) has been submitted addressing the outstanding matters for Phases 2 and 3 of the development. The RTS seeks approval for the following works:

Phase 2 construction:

  • works to accommodate 700 additional students (a total of 1050 students including the previously approved 350). 
  • re-purposing of the Phase 1 area. 
  • construction of a loop road around the southern portion of the site for emergency vehicles, buses and drop off and pick up vehicles. 

Phase 3 construction:

  • works to accommodate an additional 950 students in the western wing of the building.

Approval is also sought for a contingency phase of construction and operation, should it be required, including interim use of approved Phase 1 administration areas for additional student occupation and the re-purposing of other Phase 1 rooms within the partial school (this is contingent to the timing for delivery of Phases 2 and 3). 

Staged construction and operation of Lindfield Learning Village.

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Archive

Request for SEARs (6)

Notice of Exhibition (1)

Application (2)

EIS (35)

Submissions (1)

Response to Submissions (97)

Response to Submissions (10)

Agency Advice (3)

Amendments (21)

Determination (4)

Determination (4)

Approved Documents

Management Plans and Strategies (26)

Community Consultative Committees and Panels (9)

Reports (6)

Notifications (1)

Other Documents (30)

Note: Only documents approved by the Department after November 2019 will be published above. Any documents approved before this time can be viewed on the Applicant's website.

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Enforcements

Official Caution issued to NSW Department of Education (SSD-8114) Ku-ring-gai LGA

On 05 September 2023, NSW Planning issued an Official Caution to the NSW Department of Education for enabling the operation of an Out of School Hours Care Centre (OOSH) contrary to the approved location. The Department of Education has since worked with NSW Planning to relocate the OOSH to the location as approved.

Inspections

26/10/2022

20/02/2023

19/05/2023

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Roseville ,
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I am writing with regard the proposed increase to student numbers at Lindfield Learning Village.

I live in Abingdon Road Roseville and have done for the past 10 years.

With this proposed increase to student numbers there will be a large increase in volume of traffic, both from cars and buses, mainly along Eton Road, filtering on to neighbouring roads such as Abingdon Road and Winchester Road.

Abingdon Road is already part of the local 565 bus route. A lot of residents living in the street are families with young children requiring two cars for work and children commitments.

The street is not designed for a huge increase in traffic as will be brought on by the proposed expansion to Lindfield Learning Village.

Why wasn’t the proposed infrastructure put in place in the initial planning stages when this number of students ,ie. 2000, was planned for? We are currently seeing all the available space being built on for medium density housing. Why was not some of this space set aside for student/staff parking? We also saw the current sporting oval, the Charles Bean oval, with insufficient car spaces. People park on both sides of the road parallel to the oval, causing traffic gridlock. We as local residents, yet again, have to live with lack of proper planning and foresight by the appropriate government departments involved in the Lindfield Learning Village.

I refer back to the issues in 2012 when there was no planning in place when the university sold its carparks and left students with no on-campus parking and the students only option was to park on the neighbouring streets.

I look forward to your response.
Name Withheld
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Roseville ,
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I am writing to object to the plans to raise the student enrolment at Lindfield Learning Village.
Abingdon Road is already hazardous to walk along having no footpath, especially when I walk the children to school at Lindfield Public. The increase in traffic will only make this worse. Many drivers speed through our street as a shortcut.

We do not want a repeat of the situation in 2012 when the carparks at the university were closed down for the construction of the housing development. We could not park in our own street! We could barely get out of the driveway safely and people not only parked across our driveway, but parked in very precarious positions along the street. I also witnessed many dangerous U-turn’s. Our street was impossible to navigate when buses were also thrown into the mix. It was also impossible for anyone to visit as there was nowhere to park. My daughter at the time was only months old and it caused me great distress to not be able to access my own driveway or even park near our house.
I fear the same thing will happen if this planning proposal goes through, as there will be insufficient parking for students and staff, which will result in people parking in our street, causing congestion and no doubt, become even more dangerous for pedestrians. This will also be the case for school events on the weekends. People already park on both sides of the street at the intersection of Eton Road on the weekends for sporting events, which I think is quite dangerous as it is a blind corner effectively and you face oncoming traffic.
I also have major concerns on the effect of traffic on the roundabout intersection of Grosvenor Road and Lady Game Drive. This road is already heavily congested in the morning, as this was my route on the way to work. There is also the added issue of traffic coming down Fullers Road and it can take many changes of lights before you can turn right into Delhi Road. Adding more cars to this route will only exacerbate the situation. From personal experience, it can take up to 30 minutes to get to the lights at Lady Game Drive and Delhi Road from that roundabout, which is ridiculous already!
In addition, I worry about the amount of traffic travelling up Grosvenor Road to the Pacific Highway, especially near Lindfield Public School. It can be very hazardous crossing the road at school drop off in the morning already, I have seen many close calls with impatient and distracted drivers at the pedestrian crossing at the school.

I fear especially for the safety of our children with additional predicted volumes of cars and buses to access Lindfield Learning Village. We do not want cars parked all up and down our street during the week and on weekends and our street to also be used as a shortcut thoroughfare for speeding drivers. It is a narrow and winding street and there is no room for cars and buses to pass already in some places.
The residents’ concerns must be taken into consideration before this proposal proceeds.
Name Withheld
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Roseville ,
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I would like to raise my concerns regarding the tremendous increase in traffic that will occur as the Lindfield Learning Village intake increases; I am a grandmother who often walk my grandchildren to and from Lindfield Public School from their home . This is a dangerous experience is a grave understatement. There is no footpath in Abingdon Road making the trip extremely hazardous, The average driver (not resident) that uses Abingdon Road as a short cut to Crimson Hill (to avoid congestion in Grosvenor Road) seems to regard the road as some kind of speedway, the road is narrow and winding in parts and drivers do not slow down on approach to the curves. I would very much appreciate you informing me exactly what The Department of Planning intends to do regarding the congestion that will occur with the increase in traffic and exacerbation of the risks to both pedestrians and the many small children who live in Abingdon Road. Please show me the courtesy of replying to my concerns.
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Lindfield ,
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Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing this email to express my strong objection to the proposed Stage 2 & 3 of the Lindfield Learning Village.
Although I am in support of the Lindfield Learning Village, I am not in favour of the
Stage 2 & 3 Development as proposed.

The proposed development has numerous areas of major concern:

Most concerning is pedestrian safety issues involving the proposed route the buses and cars are to take in the morning and afternoon. The road is narrow and winding and definitely not wide enough for a bus to traverse down without crossing the “Double Unbroken Lines” There is also a blind spot ½ way down the road, where there is an unmarked crossing point for pedestrians, obviously buses, cars and pedestrians do not mix very well, so an accident is waiting to happen.
Not only is pedestrian safety threatened, but vehicular safety is also of major concern, as mentioned earlier the road is narrow and winding and barely wide enough for 2 cars to pass each other safely, introduce a bus into the mix and you have a potential risk for numerous accidents, the idea of buses travelling down this narrow road is poorly conceived.

During the construction phase, large trucks are also proposed to use the road to Dunstan Grove, again this road is simply inadequate to accommodate such large vehicular traffic, a collision between a large truck and a car or worse a pedestrian, only has one major negative outcome.
The noise and air pollution during construction phase would be well above acceptable levels in a residential zone, not to mention the inability for residents to enter and exit their premises whenever they desire.
The proposed development produces various reports relating to traffic flow, pedestrian flow and pollution levels, all of the results in these reports are optimistic and make various assumptions that in reality do not occur.
At the recent Community Information Session held at the Roseville Club, a resident asked what arrangements would be undertaken for parents of students waiting to collect their children, the residents were expecting a detailed response, instead, the answer from one of the representatives “Parents will be encouraged not to park illegally in and around Dunstan Grove and surrounding areas”.
That is not a plan!!!
The Dunstan Grove Owners Committee have suggested 2 alternative proposals for the movement of students into and out of the school, both proposals would use existing front entry or car parks. These alternate proposals were not assessed with due consideration, and should be re-visited without prejudice.
In my personal opinion, the extent of the proposed development is completely out of step with the ambience of the local area, and if completed will negatively impact the area affecting the natural, relaxing and safe environment of Dunstan Grove forever.
Name Withheld
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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Dear Sir/Madam

I am writing this email to voice my strong objection to the proposed Stage 2 & 3 development of the Lindfield Learning Village.
settled in Dunstan Grove with the full knowledge that we would be living next to a school. We have no issue with this, indeed, I am a firm believer in a strong education system is the future of our great country.
I feel the consultation process with the community for the proposal, especially the affected residents, has not been open and honest.
To say there has been little regard for the local affected community is being generous, there has been NO regard or respect afforded to the residents of Dunstan Grove particularly, and the surrounding area in Lindfield, at all.
The proposal involves increasing the student intake from an existing 350 students to a total of over 2,000 in the next two years. Clearly, the number of teachers would also increase proportionally to adequately cater for the students learning requirements.
Such an increase in numbers is excessive, resulting in the existing roads and surrounding areas UNABLE to cope with this increase in traffic flow down Eton Road, which realistically ends in a Cul de Sac.

My objection, with the proposal, has many areas of
concern.
Firstly, the safety issue of numerous buses and cars traversing down Dunstan Grove, a narrow winding road with blind spots, is not only concerning but downright dangerous.
Pedestrians, Mums with prams, and the elderly use the pathway adjoining this narrow road on a daily basis, they face the very real threat of injury or possibly worse with the constant flow of buses and cars down this completely inadequate access route.
During the construction phase of the development, large trucks will also use the route for access to the school grounds, again madness, for such large vehicles to be using this route, there will definitely be the potential for accidents to occur, obviously any such accidents will incur some form of litigation against the responsible parties, especially knowing the concerns and warnings that have been loudly expressed in the last 2 months since the Owners Committee was initially made aware of the extent of the proposed development.
The volume of vehicles which is intended to be funnelled down “Dunstan Grove” will simply be excessive for the road to handle.
In fact, a report estimating the number of buses and cars predicted to use the road after the completion of construction, could clearly be described as optimistic at best, misleading at worst.
Indeed, traffic flow in the whole precinct surrounding the Learning Village will come to a complete standstill every morning and afternoon with this proposal, parents queuing to pick up their children at 2.30pm, will stretch hundreds of metres up Dunstan Grove and Eton Road, inhibiting not only Dunstan Grove residents from leading a normal life, but residents from neighbouring streets within a radius of hundreds of metres. I am sure not only will residents be absolutely incensed with the congestion, but busy parents dropping off and picking up their children will also soon tire of the completely inadequate traffic flow arrangements, putting the viability of the school at risk.

The proposal also claims there is a continuous pathway from Lindfield Public School and Roseville Railway Station, this is not the case, in fact there are sections where there is little or no pathway, and to re-access the pathway a pedestrian has to cross busy roads with traffic, remembering, if this proposal is successful, the traffic flow will increase enormously, once again putting the safety of students and residents alike in danger.

Another major concern with the proposal is the amount of noise and air pollution that will be added into the surrounding areas with the huge increase in vehicle numbers.
A report was conducted, finding pollution levels within the school would be within acceptable levels, however, no mention was made of any of the areas surrounding the school. As has been shown in graphic detail over the last few weeks, with the smoke from the bush fires, air pollution does not stay in a designated area, it moves around with air flow, so commissioning a report that does not take surrounding areas into account would appear to be lacking in detail.

Speaking with Tim, one of the representatives for the development, at the community meeting at the Roseville Club, he indicated that the preferred option for the disembarking of students from the buses would take place at the existing bus round about. The structure was deemed too narrow for two buses to safely pass each other within the turning circle. Surely, a redevelopment of the existing bus stop would be a better option than sending buses down an inadequate narrow winding road.
Clearly, this option would require the purchase of a small parcel of land to lengthen and widen the existing bus stop, but it would have to be cheaper, in the long term, than pulling down half an award- winning building as well as harming the lives of hundreds of existing residents.

Indeed, the Dunstan Grove Owners Committee has provided 2 alternative proposals for the movement of traffic and students into the school, via the existing roads on the Eastern side. These alternative proposals do not have the deleterious effect on the residents. Neither of these proposals have been given due consideration.
I ask the department to investigate either of the 2 proposals from the Owners Committee. The concerns I have detailed above, are real and relevant and should be taken as a serious reason why the development should be reassessed on many levels.

I implore this Development to be delayed, so consultation with the residents and interested parties can take place, with a more transparent attitude in the future.
Name Withheld
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Lindfield ,
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Hi Navdeep,

I am writing as a concerned resident of Crimson Hill, about the proposed changes at Lindfield Learning Village.

The vast proposed increase in numbers at the school will obviously generate significantly more foot and road traffic.
This in turn raises serious safety issues.

1) There are no safe crossing areas
a) at the Austral Ave/Eton Rd intersection.
b) at the Austral Ave end of Grosvenor Rd
c) from one side of Eton Rd to the other when the pavement on each side runs out.


2) There is no pavement whatsoever along Abingdon Ave. I regularly walk my dog along there, and the nature strip is not user friendly.

3) It is already hazardous to drive along Abingdon Rd, given it is a winding road with cars parked on both sides. The number of cars parked will further increase as the road will likely become one of several local roads used as an 'overflow' car park for staff, and at times for parents too. The increased volume of traffic parked, as well as travelling along there, means there WILL be accidents along that road, and potentially involving pedestrians too, if they choose to use the road because it provides a more even walking surface.

4) Turning right out of Tubbs View on to Eton Rd is already risky. There is a large tree at the top of the driveway that partially obscures a clear view to the left. A sign relating to the fire hydrants further limits clear vision of Eton Rd when turning out.
To safely leave the driveway, residents need to edge out in to Eton Road to see past these obstacles. A huge increase in traffic during the morning and afternoon will make this necessary manoeuvre even more dangerous.
The increase of foot traffic across the pedestrian crossing at the top of the driveway will further compound the problem.
So again, sooner or later, there WILL be accidents, and again, potentially involving pedestrians.

The proposed huge increase to the school enrolement will therefore also mean a huge increase in the likelihood of accidents occurring, if the current school approach conditions remain unchanged.

So something has to give - either decrease the proposed number of students, or increase safety of the roads and pavements in the area.
The proposed loop road around the school will do nothing to alleviate the above safety issues.

Regards
Name Withheld
Object
LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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Dear Madem/Sir,

I writing to express my objection about the Exhibition of State Significant Development Application – Response to Submissions and Revised Proposal of Lindfield Learning Village (LLV) Phases 2 and 3 Application No. SSD-8114.
Dunstan Grove is located at the end of the Eton Road. The road is an extremely narrow and curved road and was only built for very limited access. The proposed loop road to cater for the projected 2,000 students that mean approximately 14 buses and 300-400 cars travelling down Dustan Grove road mornings and afternoons. This prone a very significant danger in the fact that Dunstan Grove road infrastructure is incapable of accommodating such traffic safely and efficiently.
Safety - The proposal ignores the safety of Dunstan Grove residents, general public and the students and staff at Lindfield Learning Village. It will be extremely dangerous for Dunstan Grove residents and general public in the morning and in the afternoon exiting and entering to the resident carpark experiencing the heavy number of cars and buses sharing the same narrow and curved Eton Road. Also, during the recent community information session on Saturday 7 December at The Roseville Club we were told to by the planners that footpath on Dunstan Gove will be demolished to accommodate widening of the road. This is just a total ignorance of the surround residences and Lane Cove National Park user’s safety, not to mention the risk and inconvenience caused for young families with children and prams and elderly who travel up/down the road daily.
In addition, with the commencement of school operations in January this year, the increase in traffic has already shown that the local road and footpaths (where they exist) are inadequate and creating safety issues for all local residents and visitors. For your information, I was involved in a car accident on the Dunstan Grove road on a blind spot around one of the bent, and that was before even the school has commenced in early 2019. Since LLV commenced this year I had two close calls of car accident as parents driving failed to observe of the Stop sign as the exit LLV onto Dunstan Grove road.
Construction Impact – During the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and trades people parking to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.
Lindfield Learning Village project should treat safety as their first priority. They should revise their planning to enable all transport to be done from the existing road and the car parks on the eastern side of the School. Our Owners Committee has previously raised our concern to the project team and objected the plan. We also made submission on alternate options to the plan, however we got no respond from the project team.
As mentioned earlier, I have attended the community information session on Saturday 7 December at The Roseville Club. I was there to express my concerns and objection during the session. There were closed to 100 attendants at the Club, majority attendants were the residents of Dunstan Grove, attending with the same intention to object the Phases 2 and 3 Application.
With deepest disappointment, the community information session was merely a repetition display of the proposed Project for Phase 2 and Phase 3, without the mention and/or the consideration of the living communities surrounding LLV. The information session failed to address or take into consideration the issues our owners committee which have been already raised and discussed with one or more of the members of the project team in the previous meeting and numerous correspondence in the forms of writing and telephone conversation.

I support our Owners Committee’s objection to this plan and ask for your assistance to ensure this proposal is withdrawn, and more suitable, wider consideration is given to planning and accommodating the school within the community. Please help us to preserve the peaceful and private nature of our community.
Name Withheld
Object
LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3.
At the commencement of the LLV project I was keen to hear more about it. I attended a resident information session at Lindfield West Public School. We were assured the growth of school student numbers would be just over the 300 mark in the first year of operation and then only increase to around 1200 students in total later. Now I am horrified to hear that they are changing the cap to over 2,000 students. So, the verbal contract that you entered into with the residents then, not so long ago, is already being changed by stealthy means, without timely disclosure to the residents.
I am extremely concerned to hear that there is a plan to change the approved access route for drop -off and pick- up of students from the eastern side of the school into the residential cul-de-sac road of Dunstan Grove. There is not even a footpath on both sides of the road and it is too narrow for buses to manoeuvre around blind corners down a cul-de-sac street. Once again residents were not informed of this loop road plan until recently, despite a consultation group being established and run from the middle of the year. Again there is a lack of transparency and hidden agendas are being run behind closed doors, to the detriment of the community.
The traffic report states that from 7.30am until 9.30am and from 2.30pm until 5pm weekdays there will be around 350 cars and 14 buses coming down Dunstan Grove. These are conservative estimates because the report assumes full buses and they very rarely operate at total carrying capacity. In any event this conservatively equates to a car every 20 seconds and a bus every 8 minutes! People’s bedrooms are literally only metres from the proposed bus routes, yet no sound level checking has been carried out in the vicinity of the residential areas, only on the inside of the LLV. It really is a sign of arrogant disregard for residents that in the preparation of the reports they do not include the measurements taken in the residential impact zone, i.e. in Dunstan Grove where we live, but rather try to mislead the reader by only considering the inside zones of LLV. This action to deceive shows a lack of integrity by those preparing and authorising this “report”.

I strongly object to the Dunstan Grove proposed access to the LLV on many grounds.
Firstly the only access point for the public to Symons Walking Trail from Dunstan Grove is a narrow walkway between Dunstan Grove’s Private Garage entry road and the edge of the LLV border. It is less than 2 metre wide bottleneck for the walker’s path. It is precisely at this point that the proposed part- building demolition, for an access loop road, is proposed. The Walking trail is accessed in the mornings by numerous people exercising, by doing this walk. It was developed at a considerable cost by the government, presumably with residents’ money. Now you want to deny us access for nearly two years, whilst demolishing and rebuilding a loop road access. I object to that safety hazard and inconvenience for the paying residents of Dunstan Grove.
If there is so much traffic turning left into this proposed loop road development it will totally block access to the Symons Trail or force them to inconvenience the residents of Dunstan Grove by crossing over our private access road to access the trail. It is just a few metres wide and a very dangerous zone both for the proposed buses, the walkers trying to enter the trail and our one garage road which services all the resident’s vehicles entering and exiting our underground parking. This involves hundreds of resident’s cars and would deny us our right of way in our cul-de-sac and create bedlam around those peak operating hours. Why not use the eastern side of LLV for an access road and loop road, where it wouldn’t affect residents?

I am concerned for the safety of both residents and school children crossing the road near the top of Dunstan Grove. There is a blind corner where children seem to dart across the pedestrian crossing, from the oval side, without even stopping sometimes. A driver cannot see them approaching the school from outside the community building because the hillside and building’s fence line totally block the sight line .Parents aren’t supposed to park in Dunstan Grove near the Community building, but they do. This necessitates the kids to cross the road, sometimes unattended by the parent. I am an optometrist and I can’t believe the stupidity of the visual design and layout of the pedestrian crossing, because a driver cannot see through solid concrete visual obstructions for approaching children. I have already witnessed near misses of kids, in the current light traffic flow, along Dunstan. When you quadruple the number of enrolled children at LLV and dramatically increase the number of vehicles using Dunstan Grove, there will likely be a fatality due to that blind corner and parents dropping their children off wrongly. In that event I would willingly testify, as a vision expert, that the loss of life should have been prevented by planning authorities, because the obvious nature of the school’s concrete barriers and the natural stone wall caused visual obstructions for drivers. It creates an impossible task for a driver heading up Dunstan Grove towards the school, to see past concrete walls for small children approaching the school, via the pedestrian crossing in Dunstan Grove. In that case I would say that the driver isn’t the culpable party for that accident, but the planning authority people are.
The other obvious lack of safety issue is that Dunstan Grove lacks a footpath on both sides of the street. Because of sheer rock walls beside the road it is impossible to widen the road and put in a proper footpath on both sides of the street. That means that people have to cross back and forth across the road, to stay on a footpath to negotiate getting to the bottom of the street. So buses , bicycles, children and walkers to Symons Trail will have to be sharing a very narrow street and the proposed increased traffic down there will create a very unsafe environment. So again I ask that you consider the alternative solutions of using the Eastern side of the LLV for vehicles, for which there are at least two possible solutions that have been overlooked.
During the Phase One of construction residents had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and tradesmen parking to unload.
I am also concerned about the prolonged noise impact that new, closer construction will have on us. The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 show the main site access is planned at our driveway and buildings. This will create even more noise than we experienced during Stage One! The Noise Report is misleading and doesn’t properly identify the resident dwellings affected by the noise.
The first stage was bad enough but to have this going on for up to another two years, in a more amplified way, is unbearable. There is no good reason to put a loop road there, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side, where it wouldn’t impact residents. I demand you seriously look at allowing site access from the existing roads on the Eastern side of LLV.
Finally I object to the way this plan was being kept secret from the local residents for about 18 months and now it is being rushed through during people’s Christmas distraction and travel period. That screams poor integrity and deception on their part, to try to manipulate the outcome, instead of allowing adequate community consultation.
Please take my concerns into account when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal. It should be about the total community’s welfare, not just stretching the school infrastructure to a breaking point to get the maximum number of children enrolled there. It shouldn’t require an accident to occur for people to realise the plan is poor. Walk the site, drive up the cul-de-sac and visually process the blind corner and the pedestrian crossing and then add 2000 children and over 300 cars and many buses into the mix to sense what will happen in that limited Dunstan Grove space. Get proper data before you decide. In my professional opinion you will be approving future pedestrian accidents along Dunstan Grove, due to the area’s visual environment, if approve this plan.
Name Withheld
Object
LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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Dear Mr. Singh,

I am writing to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village (LLV) Stage 2 and 3.

After attending the consultation meeting on 7 Dec 2019, I am very concerned that the proposed LLV development in Stage 2 and 3 will change the access route for drop-off and pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school to Dunstan Grove side. In fact, I was disappointed to realize that Dunstan Grove residential area was NOT included in the planning map. This implies the needs and concerns of hundreds of residents in Dunstan Grove were not taken into account during the planning process.

My concerns relating to the proposed Stage 2 and 3 in LLV School are as follows:

- Pedestrian and vehicle safety
Dunstan Grove is a very narrow and steep road which is already very tight for cars to pass each other when driving in both directions. We have not received any evidence about the safety assessment of how buses can fit down the road safely with traffic travelling in the opposite direction.
To my understanding, our Committee has provided two alternative routes that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the school within the school boundary, which would address this safety issues. Has our counter-proposed been considered? If not, why not?

- Walking path to and from Dunstan Grove to bus stop would be removed / narrowed
The proposed LLV Stage 2 and 3 development relied on 200 children walking to the school as part of its traffic assessment, and claimed that the continuous walkway was safe. However, after studying the map at the consultation meeting, I found that was not the case. First, the walking path will be significantly narrowed (if not removed) and it will force Dunstan Grove residents and school children to walk on the road with heavy traffics of cars and buses.
I would like to see evidence for footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed in the planning in order to protect safety of Dunstan Grove residents and school children.

- Noise pollution
As residential area of Dunstan Grove was not included in the planning, the noise report only considered noise impact caused by the traffics inside the school grounds. It gives no consideration to how bringing all the school traffic within 10 metres of our residential buildings.
The impacts of noise pollution on Dunstan Grove residents has not been addressed at all. This is because Dunstan Grove residential area has been invisible in the School development planning. Again, I want my concern to be heard and addressed in the LLV Stage 2 and 3 development plan.


- Lack of transparency
It is totally unacceptable that the proposal of LLV Stage 2 and 3 development has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during Christmas period. There has not been adequate time for us to see the whole picture of the proposal and its impact on our safety and living environment. The Department must follow proper consultation procedure and allow adequate time to receive community’s views/objections, especially given the misleading statements and assessment reports.

To summarise, while I am supportive to the LLV School, my concerns on the proposed LLV Stage 2 and 3 development need to be addressed. I hope that you will consider our Committee’s suggested two alternative routes on the eastern side of the school when processing the LLV schools development proposal.
Name Withheld
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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Dear Sir/Madam,


Submission for: Lindfield Learning Village
My concerns are as follows:
1. The size of the school is going to be big, however, without commensurate attention/planning to traffic, road and parking.
2. Streets and roads will need to be widen adequately for safety reason - For example, the narrow winding turn on Shout Ridge from Eton Road.
3. More students will mean increasing usage of Charles Bean Soccer Field. Now it has got only 15 road side parking spaces, and double parking is common. At the moment, we saw players/audience/parents/friends parking their cars at the vacant construction site opposite. Once this residential site is built, it is going to create chaos.
I am not objecting the school project, provided measures/projects corresponding in proportion to address the above concerns are in place. Otherwise, chaos is just an accident waiting to happen.
Nobody would like to see a hostile relationship between the nearby residents and the school. I hope to see harmonious relations between the Lindfield Learning Village and the Crimson Hill Community.
Thank you.
David Pettit
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Lindfield ,
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Dear Sir,

I have examined the information available concerning the approvals beimg sought for Phases 2 and 3 of the Lindfield Learning Village.

I am concerned that each Phase has serious shortcomings that have not been properly addressed.

I am not detailing the numerous defects in this communication and merely wish to indicate that my main concerns relate to traffic management and bushfire risk.

As a nearby resident, I am concerned that sufficient parking space for staff has not been provided, so parking in nearby streets will once again become the nightmare that it was when UTS closed its parking areas. Compounding the problem is the non-existence of suitable footpaths in some streets so that pedestrians walked on the road and it was very dangerous then. This lasted only a couple of years, but now it set to become a permanent and growing problem.

No effective solution appears to have been provided that will satisfactorily manage the problem of bushfire risk.
The provision of a loop road, while convenient for everyday use, is not adequate to provide a workable solution to the bushfire problem.
There has been a number of of serious fires in the area over the years, culminating in the large fire of 1994 when the whole peninsula was burnt. On that occasion, nobody was injured, probably only because it was outside of university term and nobody was present.
The impossibility of evacuating over 2000 people from the site in an emergency frightens me.

I regard the unsolved bushfire problem as so serious that Phase 3 must never be approved.

David Pettit.
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Dear Navdeep Singh,

This serves to lodge my objection to the captioned development.
After attending the Community Consultation Session held on 7 Dec 2019 at The Roseville Memorial Club, I list below some salient points of my complaint :

1. The scale of the consultation is not match with the size of the proposed project, it exhibits about five small posters which shows limited information to consider.

2. I cannot see any safety measures to be emphasized for both vehicle and pedestrian as drastic heavy traffic load is going to impose on the comparatively narrow driveway concerned.

3. Air and noise pollution issues - this disturbs me so much as being a resident, where we believed to be a quiet and peaceful living environment.

4. Insufficient information of the project released and inadequate consultation involved.
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Dear Navdeep Singh,

I do not want my personal information to be released.

After attending the Community Consultation Session held on 7 Dec 2019 at The Roseville Memorial Club, I list below some salient points of my complaint :

1. The scale of the consultation is not match with the size of the proposed project, it exhibits about five small posters which shows limited information to consider.

2. I cannot see any safety measures to be emphasized for both vehicle and pedestrian as drastic heavy traffic load is going to impose on the comparatively narrow driveway concerned.

3. Air and noise pollution issues - this disturbs me so much as being a resident
where we believed to be a quiet and peaceful living environment.

4. Insufficient information of the project released and inadequate consultation involved.
Name Withheld
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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Dear All,
I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3.
While I am very supportive of the school, I am very concerned and shocked to learn that it is planned to modify the existing access route for drop-off & pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school into Dunstan Grove.
The traffic report states a large amount of cars and buses will be traveling down Dunstan Grove in the morning and afternoon.
This number is only likely to increase when the school gets much bigger and has many more students.
We love where we live, and are excited for the school to be a positive part of our community. However the loop road proposal has not given Dunstan Grove residents any thought or consideration, even after we've been extremely compliant with works already disrupting our area.
This will have impacts on our environment and is an unsafe idea to even propose. The infrastructure is not present on Dunstan Grove for this type of proposal and as a community we reject the idea there is not another, more suitable,
option.
My main concerns about this are as follows:
• Vehicle Safety – Dunstan Grove is a very narrow and curved road and was only built for very limited access. It is already very tight for cars to pass each other, with limited sight lines and there are already delays while cars park at the oval community centre. There is no assessment of how buses can fit down the road safely with traffic travelling in the opposite direction. Schools Infrastructure has made no attempt to demonstrate investigation of alternatives to the proposed Loop Road. They have clearly chosen the cheapest and easiest option for themselves, at the expense of the Dunstan Grove community, who will experience significant road and safety issues and increased congestion. Our Committee has provided 2 alternative proposals that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the site (within the school boundary) which would remove these safety issues. Please could these be further considered.
• Pedestrian Safety – Dunstan Grove residents and school children must cross Dunstan Grove to get to the school or bus stop. The current unmarked crossing is on a blind corner and is already very dangerous with the current light traffic. This will become extremely dangerous with the proposed increased traffic. There is no consideration in the proposal about how this will be dealt with. Similarly, there is no provision for a crossing at the school entry and the current crossing there is not suitable for accessible use. Again, please consider alternatives.
• The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that the there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the road unsafely in four situations. There are also sections where the footpath is not compliant with no
• space for children, cyclists and other footpath users to safely pass (people are forced to use the roads) Additionally, there is no footpath to Roseville Station and children will be forced to walk on the road with the buses. I want the footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed to ensure the safely of school children and residents before the additional increased traffic commences.
• Noise impacts – The noise report only considers noise impact once the cars and buses are inside the school grounds. It gives no consideration to now bringing all the school traffic within 10 metres of our residential buildings. This will have a huge impact on us as residents and has not been addressed at all. It is another reason why this proposed loop road should be rejected.
• Construction Impact – During the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and trades people parking to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here, when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.
Further to my points above I am also concerned that
• A heritage-listed and Sulman Medal-winning building is partially being demolished to accommodate the loop road proposed as well as the removal of significant trees. The E3 zone was specifically drawn at the edge of the existing buildings so that the bushland setting of the heritage buildings could be maintained. The proposed Loop Road undermines this planning framework that set the community’s expectations for how this site would be developed in the future.
• This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the planning process and give proper consideration of the community’s objections, particularly given the errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted.
• Inconsistent and inadequate documentation – The RTS incorrectly states that no works are proposed in the E3 Environmental Management Zone, when in fact the Loop Road and various other works are proposed. There are also inconsistencies in the documentation that are unclear about who will be able to use the Loop Road. The Noise Report is unclear and doesn't properly identify which dwellings will be affected by noise.

I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal.
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LINDFIELD , New South Wales
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I am very concerned about the development proposal of Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3. The plan to modify the existing access route for drop-off & pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school into Dunstan Grove.

The traffic report states that from 7.30am - 9.30am and 2.30pm - 5.00pm there will be 350 cars and 14 buses down Dunstan Grove in the morning, and it is likely the same number in the afternoons. I am sure these are conservative estimates.

My concerns are as follows:
 Vehicle Safety – Dunstan Grove is a very narrow road and was only built for very limited access. It is already very tight for cars to pass each other, with limited sight lines and there are already delays while cars park at the oval community centre. The increasing traffic will be devastating to us local residents and make it impossible for us to commute during school hours.

 Pedestrian Safety – The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that the there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the road unsafely in four situations.

 Noise impacts – The noise report only considers noise impact once the cars and buses are inside the school grounds. It gives no consideration to now bringing all the school traffic within 10 metres of our residential buildings. This will have a huge impact on our residents and has not been addressed at all. It is another reason why this proposed loop road should be rejected.

 Construction Impact – During the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and tradies parking to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property. The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. We urge this plan to be reconsidered as it has devastating impact on our normal daily commute.

▪ This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the planning process and give proper consideration of the community’s objections, particularly given the errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted. We are extremely frustrated to be treated this way and felt this is violating our rights as local residents.

▪ Inconsistent and inadequate documentation – The RtS incorrectly states that no works are proposed in the E3 Environmental Management Zone. In fact, the Loop Road and various other works are proposed. There are also inconsistencies in the documentation that are unclear about who will be able to use the Loop Road. The Noise Report is unclear and doesn't properly identify which dwellings will be affected by noise.

Could you please take those concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal?

Thank you & Kind regards,
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Lindfield ,
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We are a community of a few hundred residents and situated next to the ex-UTS Kuring Gai campus which has now been renovated for the Lindfield Learning Village.

I am writing to you to lodge my objection to the proposed Lindfield Learning Village Stages 2 and 3 based on serious safety concerns outlined below.

While I am very supportive of the school, I am very concerned to learn that it is planned to modify the existing access route for drop-off & pick-up of children from the eastern side of the school into Dunstan Grove.

The traffic report states that from 7.30am - 9.30am and 2.30pm - 5.00pm there will be 350 cars and 14 buses down Dunstan Grove in the morning, and it is likely the same number in the afternoons. I am sure these are conservative estimates.

This equates to a car every 20 seconds and a bus every 8 minutes!

My concerns about this are as follows:

• Vehicle Safety – Dunstan Grove is a very narrow and curved road and was only built for very limited access. It is already very tight for cars to pass each other, with a limited line of sight and there are already delays while cars park at the oval community centre. There is no assessment of how buses can fit down the road safely with traffic travelling in the opposite direction. Schools Infrastructure has made no attempt to demonstrate the investigation of alternatives to the proposed Loop Road. They have clearly chosen the cheapest and easiest option for themselves, at the expense of the Dunstan Grove community, who will experience significant road and safety issues and increased congestion. Our Committee has provided 2 alternative proposals that keep the traffic on the eastern side of the site (within the school boundary) which would remove these safety issues. I want these to be further considered.

• Pedestrian Safety – Dunstan Grove residents and school children must cross Dunstan Grove to get to the school or bus stop. The current unmarked crossing is on a blind corner and is already very dangerous with the current light traffic. This will become extremely dangerous with the proposed increased traffic. There is no consideration in the proposal about how this will be dealt with. Similarly, there is no provision for a crossing at the school entry and the current crossing there is not suitable for accessible use. Again, I want the eastern alternatives to be further considered.

The proposal also relies on 200 children walking to school as part of its traffic assessment. It claims that there is a safe, continuous walkway from the school to Lindfield Public, but this is not the case. There are no pedestrian crossings and school children will be forced to cross the road unsafely in four situations. There are also sections where the footpath is not compliant with no space for children, cyclists and other footpath users to safely pass (people are forced to use the roads) Additionally, there is no footpath to Roseville Station and children will be forced to walk on the road with the buses. I want the footpaths and pedestrian crossings to be properly installed to ensure the safety of school children and residents before the additional increased traffic commences.

• Emergency services - if there is an emergency, the peak hour traffic will make it impossible for emergency services to reach our property in time

• Noise impacts – The noise report only considers noise impact once the cars and buses are inside the school grounds. It gives no consideration to now bringing all the school traffic within 10 metres of our residential buildings. This will have a huge impact on our residents and has not been addressed at all. It is another reason why this proposed loop road should be rejected.

• Construction Impact – During the Phase 1 of construction, we had continuous issues with road blockages due to deliveries down Dunstan Grove and tradespeople parking to unload. This generated considerable noise (reversing beepers) as well as numerous delays in trying to get in or out of our property, and this was when the main access was at the front of the school! The Construction Management Plan for Stage 2 and 3 now shows the main site access being directly at our driveway and buildings. We will experience more noise and impact from this site access than in stage 1. There is no reason for it to be here when they can access the site from the existing roads on the eastern side. I want this plan changed to enforce access from the eastern side of the school. This was also requested by our Owners Committee and ignored.

Further to my points above, I am also concerned that:

 A heritage-listed and Sulman Medal-winning building is partially being demolished to accommodate the loop road proposed as well as the removal of significant trees. The E3 zone was specifically drawn at the edge of the existing buildings so that the bushland setting of the heritage buildings could be maintained. The proposed Loop Road undermines this planning framework that set the community’s expectations for how this site would be developed in the future.

 This proposal has been kept secret from local residents for 18 months and is now being rushed through during the Christmas period. There has not been adequate time allowed for proper consultation or time to understand the impacts of the proposal. The Department must not rush the planning process and give proper consideration of the community’s objections, particularly given the errors, misleading statements and inadequate assessment in the RTS submitted.

 Inconsistent and inadequate documentation – The RTS incorrectly states that no works are proposed in the E3 Environmental Management Zone, when in fact the Loop Road and various other works are proposed. There are also inconsistencies in the documentation that are unclear about who will be able to use the Loop Road. The Noise Report is unclear and doesn't properly identify which dwellings will be affected by noise.

I hope that you take my concerns into consideration when processing the LLV Schools Infrastructure proposal.

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Project Details

Application Number
SSD-8114
Assessment Type
State Significant Development
Development Type
Educational establishments
Local Government Areas
Ku-ring-gai
Decision
Approved
Determination Date
Decider
Minister
Last Modified By
SSD-8114-Mod-5
Last Modified On
21/12/2021

Contact Planner

Name
Navdeep Singh Shergill