Dominique Delaisse
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Dominique Delaisse
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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This project of a 6 storey building in a quiet low rise beach suburb will only create more problems for the current residents: the noise, the pollution, the lack of parking spots , the increase of traffic from
Visitors … the road and the suburb does not have the capacity for this. It is a threat for the environment , for the peace an therefore mental health of current residents , it will destroy the current village feel , it seems like a total abheration that this project is even considered .
Visitors … the road and the suburb does not have the capacity for this. It is a threat for the environment , for the peace an therefore mental health of current residents , it will destroy the current village feel , it seems like a total abheration that this project is even considered .
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Narrabeen
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New South Wales
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I wish to voice my strong objection to the proposed Indigo by Moran development at 156-164 Ocean St Narrabeen.
Firstly let me state that a 2 week notice period for comments is farcically short for a development of this size (with 42 supporting documents) and the impact it would have on the local community and environment. Particularly as there has been no previous meaningful engagement with the immediate Narrabeen community.
The primary issue I have is the proposed building to be at a maximum height of 21.1m vs the LEP permitted height of 8.5m. This is not just slightly above this is nearly 250% of the current height limit. The design whilst aesthetically appealing is simply too high. It imposes greater building bulk on surrounding community to the benefit of potential buyers (and the developer). The developer and designers have prioritised the provision of units with views ( and the commensurate sale value) rather than a design sympathetic to the surroundings.
The Visual Impact Statement specifically says the development “ lies within a landscape characterised by low-medium density housing” to then go on to state “ It is unlikely to disrupt key landscape features or become a prominent element in the landscape”. At 21.1m it will not only be prominent but dominate from many vantage points. As the 6 storeys is far above the height of the adjacent buildings and higher than any in the peninsula. The fact that the building will be higher in some areas than the Norfolk pines surrounding is almost impossible to get my head around. These trees are landmarks prominent from quite a distance so the bulk of this proposal is difficult to overstate.
The VIS has numerous photo montages that give a very misleading perspective of the impact. Wideangle camera shots diminish the likely visual impact.
From the Community Engagement Report there was one scheduled community meeting. This was a marketing presentation dressed up as a consultation session, where no information on the potential development scale was aired or questions of the likely form answered. From the questionnaire referred to in the document “Many mentioned the importance of keeping the development low in scale, so it blends into the local environment”. Clearly what little feedback was received was summarily disregarded.
More focus was given to the requirements of those who may purchase. Just because there is demand to buy does not mean it should be built to the detriment of the neighbouring community.
The likelihood that 178 resident car spaces will be sufficient is optimistic to the point of fantasy. At the prices being discussed for the apartments and the demographic able to afford there will be a considerable number of units requiring two cars. Particularly considering the likelihood that there will be many units with more than 2 occupants (2 and 3 bedroom apartments with adult children). Conservatively 75% will be 2 car (or more) households and therefore about 40-50 car spots too few. Also 7 visitor parks will be nowhere near enough. This will put additional strain on the limited street parking already existing.
This from Octavia street in normal day.
As can be seen Octavia street is not wide enough for 2 cars to pass so the increased traffic here will mean more cars queuing up through roundabouts on Ocean St and Lagoon St
Narrabeen peninsula is restricted to 2 main entry exit points (Ocean st south and north) and the increase in traffic from such a scale development will be substantial
From the Urban Design Assessment, “Building layout should be designed to optimise privacy for occupants of the development and occupants of adjoining properties” This it does not do. The substantial proposed height affords the inhabitants of upper floors of the development unrestricted sight into the otherwise private areas of adjoining and nearby dwellings.
Firstly let me state that a 2 week notice period for comments is farcically short for a development of this size (with 42 supporting documents) and the impact it would have on the local community and environment. Particularly as there has been no previous meaningful engagement with the immediate Narrabeen community.
The primary issue I have is the proposed building to be at a maximum height of 21.1m vs the LEP permitted height of 8.5m. This is not just slightly above this is nearly 250% of the current height limit. The design whilst aesthetically appealing is simply too high. It imposes greater building bulk on surrounding community to the benefit of potential buyers (and the developer). The developer and designers have prioritised the provision of units with views ( and the commensurate sale value) rather than a design sympathetic to the surroundings.
The Visual Impact Statement specifically says the development “ lies within a landscape characterised by low-medium density housing” to then go on to state “ It is unlikely to disrupt key landscape features or become a prominent element in the landscape”. At 21.1m it will not only be prominent but dominate from many vantage points. As the 6 storeys is far above the height of the adjacent buildings and higher than any in the peninsula. The fact that the building will be higher in some areas than the Norfolk pines surrounding is almost impossible to get my head around. These trees are landmarks prominent from quite a distance so the bulk of this proposal is difficult to overstate.
The VIS has numerous photo montages that give a very misleading perspective of the impact. Wideangle camera shots diminish the likely visual impact.
From the Community Engagement Report there was one scheduled community meeting. This was a marketing presentation dressed up as a consultation session, where no information on the potential development scale was aired or questions of the likely form answered. From the questionnaire referred to in the document “Many mentioned the importance of keeping the development low in scale, so it blends into the local environment”. Clearly what little feedback was received was summarily disregarded.
More focus was given to the requirements of those who may purchase. Just because there is demand to buy does not mean it should be built to the detriment of the neighbouring community.
The likelihood that 178 resident car spaces will be sufficient is optimistic to the point of fantasy. At the prices being discussed for the apartments and the demographic able to afford there will be a considerable number of units requiring two cars. Particularly considering the likelihood that there will be many units with more than 2 occupants (2 and 3 bedroom apartments with adult children). Conservatively 75% will be 2 car (or more) households and therefore about 40-50 car spots too few. Also 7 visitor parks will be nowhere near enough. This will put additional strain on the limited street parking already existing.
This from Octavia street in normal day.
As can be seen Octavia street is not wide enough for 2 cars to pass so the increased traffic here will mean more cars queuing up through roundabouts on Ocean St and Lagoon St
Narrabeen peninsula is restricted to 2 main entry exit points (Ocean st south and north) and the increase in traffic from such a scale development will be substantial
From the Urban Design Assessment, “Building layout should be designed to optimise privacy for occupants of the development and occupants of adjoining properties” This it does not do. The substantial proposed height affords the inhabitants of upper floors of the development unrestricted sight into the otherwise private areas of adjoining and nearby dwellings.
Luke Meadows
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Luke Meadows
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INGLESIDE
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New South Wales
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6 story development does not fit in with aesthetic appeal of area. Council does not allow more than 2 story development in area for over 20 years this development shouldn't be exempt. Northern Beach Council development control plan does not allow developments of this scale, this should not be overruled. The location is a sand island, geology of land does not support this scale of development. Development would impact local wildlife. Already too much traffic on Ocean St. Will require removal of heritage listed nonfolk island pines. Underground carparks would flood on regular basis. Plenty of other land in Sydney area fit for development of this type. Would create shade for other residence and fauna and flora. The list goes on and on...............
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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The project will worsen traffic in an already congested area, increase flood risk in a known flood zone, and is out of character with Narrabeen’s established landscape. The removal of native pine trees will also disrupt local ecosystems and harm wildlife habitats, showing a disregard for environmental preservation. The approval of this project would set an undesirable precedent for further inappropriate development that would permanently alter the area’s character and community.
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Narrabeen
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New South Wales
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I, the undersigned resident, oppose the proposed oceanfront development that includes no setback from the shoreline, as it is entirely out of scale with Narrabeen’s low-rise character. This development would not only block treasured coastal views but also lead to the removal of established trees that are essential to the natural beauty and ecological health of our foreshore. I urge the planning authorities to reconsider and insist on a design that respects Narrabeen’s established, low-rise coastal character, preserves public view corridors, and safeguards our mature trees. Our coastline’s unique charm and community character must take precedence over inappropriate, oversized development.
Bryce Chapman
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Bryce Chapman
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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Parking will be negatively affected by this development in an area already struggling for parking.
The 6 floor height is out of character to this small beachside strip.
The roads in Narrabeen are already congested and will not cope with this additional number of vehicles.
The local parking area at the Woolworths Narrabeen will not cope with the additional residents.
Emergency exit will be compromised in the event of an emergency along Ocean and Lagoon streets.
The impact of have 6 stories in this area will negatively impact the rest of Narrabeen and Elanora Heights
The 6 floor height is out of character to this small beachside strip.
The roads in Narrabeen are already congested and will not cope with this additional number of vehicles.
The local parking area at the Woolworths Narrabeen will not cope with the additional residents.
Emergency exit will be compromised in the event of an emergency along Ocean and Lagoon streets.
The impact of have 6 stories in this area will negatively impact the rest of Narrabeen and Elanora Heights
Cheryl Nunn
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Cheryl Nunn
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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I have lived in Narrabeen since 1989 and the Northern Beaches LGA since 1972. I owned a property opposite 156 Ocean St in 66 Lagoon St Narrabeen for 17 years. I have seen and experienced many changes in that time. The population has increased dramatically along the Ocean St peninsular in that time from single story dwellings to 3 story flats but nothing over that height limit.
The resultant congestion on roads, shopping centres, parks and beaches has reduces the quality of life in our suburb. Our roads remain the same and are now in bad repair and not fit for purpose due to flooding, potholes and extreme traffic congestion. Adding more than 192 car spaces and 149 independent living units will contribute to this congestion.
The Northern Beaches LGA has more senior living facilities than most other LGAs. I consider the residents have more than pulled their weight with increasing density over these years.
The geography of the area, a peninsula of land comprising mainly sand dunes is unsuitable for the height and bulk of the proposed development let alone the excavation to accommodate 3 levels of underground parking which would be subject to inundation as this part of the peninsula is low lying.
The existing parking facilities on Ocean and Lagoon streets during summer is exhausted now. The proposed development does not provide enough visitor parking. The local Woolworths is not a major store and parking at the local shops and Post Office is difficult to obtain now. With an increase of this amount of residents and also no banking facilities, the suburb is at capacity.
The increased vehicle movements by 149 independent living units will create unusual noise and
Vehicle emissions to those currently or previously experienced by the previous retirement / care home. The ambience of the area is one of calm and natural beauty with manly pine trees, palms and eucalypts attracting birds.
This peninsula has been limited to 3 stories and should remain so to keep the atmosphere and natural beach and lakeside setting. To have an edifice of this magnitude towering over the surrounding homes is a disruption to the ambience of the area that all residents love and respect.
The precedent of the height of the proposed development could, if approved, could result in our suburb resembling the Gold Coast or Dee Why with shadowing of neighbours in adjoining streets and destroying the tropical nature of the strip. I do not want to see a building higher than the pines or palm trees.
The low scale of the existing buildings and surrounding gardens compliment the area any any new development should coalesce with its surrounds.
I have loved living in Narrabeen with its proximity to the sea, lake, National parks, Pittwater and Middle Harbour. Please do not allow this development to proceed. It should not be of State Significance as it offends our suburb with its scale, height and bulk and unattractive architectural design. I think the only sig ificance in the development application is its hideous appearance, not a quality desirable in planning.
The resultant congestion on roads, shopping centres, parks and beaches has reduces the quality of life in our suburb. Our roads remain the same and are now in bad repair and not fit for purpose due to flooding, potholes and extreme traffic congestion. Adding more than 192 car spaces and 149 independent living units will contribute to this congestion.
The Northern Beaches LGA has more senior living facilities than most other LGAs. I consider the residents have more than pulled their weight with increasing density over these years.
The geography of the area, a peninsula of land comprising mainly sand dunes is unsuitable for the height and bulk of the proposed development let alone the excavation to accommodate 3 levels of underground parking which would be subject to inundation as this part of the peninsula is low lying.
The existing parking facilities on Ocean and Lagoon streets during summer is exhausted now. The proposed development does not provide enough visitor parking. The local Woolworths is not a major store and parking at the local shops and Post Office is difficult to obtain now. With an increase of this amount of residents and also no banking facilities, the suburb is at capacity.
The increased vehicle movements by 149 independent living units will create unusual noise and
Vehicle emissions to those currently or previously experienced by the previous retirement / care home. The ambience of the area is one of calm and natural beauty with manly pine trees, palms and eucalypts attracting birds.
This peninsula has been limited to 3 stories and should remain so to keep the atmosphere and natural beach and lakeside setting. To have an edifice of this magnitude towering over the surrounding homes is a disruption to the ambience of the area that all residents love and respect.
The precedent of the height of the proposed development could, if approved, could result in our suburb resembling the Gold Coast or Dee Why with shadowing of neighbours in adjoining streets and destroying the tropical nature of the strip. I do not want to see a building higher than the pines or palm trees.
The low scale of the existing buildings and surrounding gardens compliment the area any any new development should coalesce with its surrounds.
I have loved living in Narrabeen with its proximity to the sea, lake, National parks, Pittwater and Middle Harbour. Please do not allow this development to proceed. It should not be of State Significance as it offends our suburb with its scale, height and bulk and unattractive architectural design. I think the only sig ificance in the development application is its hideous appearance, not a quality desirable in planning.
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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To whom it may concern,
As property owners of a house in Narrabeen we object to the proposed development at 156-164 Ocean Street Narrabeen (SSD-76220734).
We are concerned that the proposed development will adversely affect the:
o Visual obstruction and overdevelopment
o Aboriginal heritage sensitivity
o Removal of mature native pine trees
o Traffic and safety risks
o The area also likely to be subject to significant dune erosion over the due to sea level rise and any development on this sandy spit should be kept to a bare minimum to protect the surroundings.
o This development is well outside the local street scale of the area. It also does not improve any amenity in the local area. its very Inappropriate.
The sheer size of the development—reaching up to 20 meters—poses visual obstruction and is undeniably an overdevelopment of the area. Hundreds of residents living on the escarpment will face the direct consequences, as their once unobstructed views and community ambiance will be overwhelmed by this towering structure.
There are serious practical concerns, too, especially regarding traffic and safety. The increased population density stemming from this development will exacerbate an already struggling local traffic system. We are also concerned that the parking allocation for the new development is not sufficient. We currently experience parking problems in Narrabeen for residents, particularly from visitors to the location. This development will result in more vehicles from an increased number of residents and their visitors.
This situation is further compounded by the apparent lack of genuine community consultation. A mere 14-day window provided to object to such significant changes is woefully inadequate, showing a clear attempt to bypass local regulations and community input. Effective decision-making requires engaging with and respecting the voices of local residents, not circumventing them.
Indigo by Moran has also intentionally based their proposed development application with incorrect, misleading and deceptive information regarding, heritage impact, traffic, visual pollution, visual loss, social engagement, comparison of height between existing buildings and their building proposal, etc.
We urge local decision-makers and relevant authorities to rethink this proposal, ensuring that any development aligns with the town's environmental sustainability, heritage appreciation, and community consensus.
Kind Regards,
Local Resident Narrabeen
As property owners of a house in Narrabeen we object to the proposed development at 156-164 Ocean Street Narrabeen (SSD-76220734).
We are concerned that the proposed development will adversely affect the:
o Visual obstruction and overdevelopment
o Aboriginal heritage sensitivity
o Removal of mature native pine trees
o Traffic and safety risks
o The area also likely to be subject to significant dune erosion over the due to sea level rise and any development on this sandy spit should be kept to a bare minimum to protect the surroundings.
o This development is well outside the local street scale of the area. It also does not improve any amenity in the local area. its very Inappropriate.
The sheer size of the development—reaching up to 20 meters—poses visual obstruction and is undeniably an overdevelopment of the area. Hundreds of residents living on the escarpment will face the direct consequences, as their once unobstructed views and community ambiance will be overwhelmed by this towering structure.
There are serious practical concerns, too, especially regarding traffic and safety. The increased population density stemming from this development will exacerbate an already struggling local traffic system. We are also concerned that the parking allocation for the new development is not sufficient. We currently experience parking problems in Narrabeen for residents, particularly from visitors to the location. This development will result in more vehicles from an increased number of residents and their visitors.
This situation is further compounded by the apparent lack of genuine community consultation. A mere 14-day window provided to object to such significant changes is woefully inadequate, showing a clear attempt to bypass local regulations and community input. Effective decision-making requires engaging with and respecting the voices of local residents, not circumventing them.
Indigo by Moran has also intentionally based their proposed development application with incorrect, misleading and deceptive information regarding, heritage impact, traffic, visual pollution, visual loss, social engagement, comparison of height between existing buildings and their building proposal, etc.
We urge local decision-makers and relevant authorities to rethink this proposal, ensuring that any development aligns with the town's environmental sustainability, heritage appreciation, and community consensus.
Kind Regards,
Local Resident Narrabeen
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NARRABEEN
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New South Wales
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To: Secretary, DPHI
Objection to SSD-76220734- 154 Ocean St Narrabeen
I reside at 106 Ocean Street, Narrabeen and the scale of this proposed development will negatively impact Ocean St and neighbouring streets in the following ways:-
INCOMPATIBILITY
The sheer scale of this development, which spans the length of Ocean St, Loftus, Lagoon & Octavia Streets is TOTALLY out of character with Narrabeen village and Ocean st which is a low rise beachside community. This is so in terms of height, 6 storeys rising to 21.5 metres and the footprint of the entire complex. It will dwarf surrounding properties and create significant overshadowing for the surrounding properties which are single homes or low-rise apartments.
UNSUITABILITY
This development does nothing to create affordable housing for young people OR the elderly. At starting prices of $3m, these apartments will cater to an elite group of seniors only and the provision of a 10 bed residential care facility - compared with 149 units is totally inadequate to cater for the real needs of an aging population. It is noted that an existing residential care facility that can cater for this is being demolished !
The development has been designed without local consultation or local feedback.
There are concerns regarding the excavation to 11.5m below ground level, which will intrude into the local water table and the composition of the earth is largely sand and is located in a flood and erosion zone.
The scale of this development will see the removal of many mature trees which are home to many birds and local wildlife.
TRAFFIC/ACCESIBILITY
Ocean st is already a VERY busy and congested street, as it is used as a thoroughfare to Mona Vale to the north and Dee Why to the south. Personally, I experience significant difficulty, danger and delay each morning, when entering Ocean St from our driveway as there is a continuous stream of cars. The addition of 149 units (potentially another 300 odd cars as most households possess 2 cars) will greatly increase traffic congestion and pose a danger to school children (St Josephs School in Ocean St), mothers & fathers with prams & young children, pushbike riders and older walkers - all trying to cross the road.
Parking is already at critical levels on Ocean St. The addition of 149 units, with only 192 car spaces will further exacerbate this situation. The provision of just 7 visitor spaces is WOEFULLY inadequate.
I do not oppose the building of a seniors complex outright, but I DO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION due to its proposed extreme overdevelopment of the site.
Further consultation and time are needed to consider this development and scale it back to an acceptable level.
We should not be agreeing to this level of development which will destroy the amenity of our beautiful suburb and merely line the pockets of developers.
Objection to SSD-76220734- 154 Ocean St Narrabeen
I reside at 106 Ocean Street, Narrabeen and the scale of this proposed development will negatively impact Ocean St and neighbouring streets in the following ways:-
INCOMPATIBILITY
The sheer scale of this development, which spans the length of Ocean St, Loftus, Lagoon & Octavia Streets is TOTALLY out of character with Narrabeen village and Ocean st which is a low rise beachside community. This is so in terms of height, 6 storeys rising to 21.5 metres and the footprint of the entire complex. It will dwarf surrounding properties and create significant overshadowing for the surrounding properties which are single homes or low-rise apartments.
UNSUITABILITY
This development does nothing to create affordable housing for young people OR the elderly. At starting prices of $3m, these apartments will cater to an elite group of seniors only and the provision of a 10 bed residential care facility - compared with 149 units is totally inadequate to cater for the real needs of an aging population. It is noted that an existing residential care facility that can cater for this is being demolished !
The development has been designed without local consultation or local feedback.
There are concerns regarding the excavation to 11.5m below ground level, which will intrude into the local water table and the composition of the earth is largely sand and is located in a flood and erosion zone.
The scale of this development will see the removal of many mature trees which are home to many birds and local wildlife.
TRAFFIC/ACCESIBILITY
Ocean st is already a VERY busy and congested street, as it is used as a thoroughfare to Mona Vale to the north and Dee Why to the south. Personally, I experience significant difficulty, danger and delay each morning, when entering Ocean St from our driveway as there is a continuous stream of cars. The addition of 149 units (potentially another 300 odd cars as most households possess 2 cars) will greatly increase traffic congestion and pose a danger to school children (St Josephs School in Ocean St), mothers & fathers with prams & young children, pushbike riders and older walkers - all trying to cross the road.
Parking is already at critical levels on Ocean St. The addition of 149 units, with only 192 car spaces will further exacerbate this situation. The provision of just 7 visitor spaces is WOEFULLY inadequate.
I do not oppose the building of a seniors complex outright, but I DO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION due to its proposed extreme overdevelopment of the site.
Further consultation and time are needed to consider this development and scale it back to an acceptable level.
We should not be agreeing to this level of development which will destroy the amenity of our beautiful suburb and merely line the pockets of developers.