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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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My objection is based on parking, traffic, bushfire and residents of the area saftey concerns.
This development is one of several in this difficult-to-access area of homes. The houses in Findlay Ave, Alexander Pde, Maclaurin Pde, Corona Ave, Pockely Ave, Larkin St have 3 intersections with the Pacific Highway. Only one of these intersections has traffic lights that permit a left and right turn onto the Pacific Highway.
In the current situation, at many times of the day, it is common to wait through several red-green cycles before access to the highway is possible.
Each of the current SSD applications in this precinct contains a separate Traffic Impact Assessment. The reports state that each development, when assessed independently and in isolation, will not have a significant impact on traffic flow. However surely any assessment of traffic impact needs to take into account ALL new developments, as well as the developments already under construction in the precinct (of which there are several) and existing residences. The net increase of vehicles will be many multiples more than what is contained in each report. The number of cars the residence own will also far exceed the car parking spaces provided. It's an affluent area with highly sort after services, and will attract families with more vehicles than the developers are required to provide onsite parking for. The traffic flow impact may not affect the Pacific Highway, due to restricted access, but will significantly affect the local roads accessing the highway, cause extreme back up and traffic delays to its residents and extreme fire danger exit restrictions, which the current traffic reports neglect to consider.
While the sites of these new developments may not be Bushfire Prone Land, many dwellings in this precinct ARE on Bushfire Prone Land. These developments will make the safe evacuation of bushfire prone dwellings, and access by emergency services more difficult, if not impossible, in an emergency. Its gross negligence not to consider the impact on all residents using these minimal and inadequate escape exits.
The development IS in the ember zone of bushfires, please refer to councils bushfire simulation they created in August 2024
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17d72WfKfL/
South West Roseville is the ONLY suburb within Kuringgai council that has a bushfire risk within 800m of the station and you want to add in thousands of new units and cars to this danger zone without addressing the communities saftey and traffic concerns.
I am in favour of increased housing density, however traffic and safety issues need to be assessed together with ALL current and future developments and the saftey of all residents. I don't believe this is a safe area in which to add so many more residents without providing more fire exit routes for all those residents on the western side of the highway which use the same exit points as the proposed residences.
This development is one of several in this difficult-to-access area of homes. The houses in Findlay Ave, Alexander Pde, Maclaurin Pde, Corona Ave, Pockely Ave, Larkin St have 3 intersections with the Pacific Highway. Only one of these intersections has traffic lights that permit a left and right turn onto the Pacific Highway.
In the current situation, at many times of the day, it is common to wait through several red-green cycles before access to the highway is possible.
Each of the current SSD applications in this precinct contains a separate Traffic Impact Assessment. The reports state that each development, when assessed independently and in isolation, will not have a significant impact on traffic flow. However surely any assessment of traffic impact needs to take into account ALL new developments, as well as the developments already under construction in the precinct (of which there are several) and existing residences. The net increase of vehicles will be many multiples more than what is contained in each report. The number of cars the residence own will also far exceed the car parking spaces provided. It's an affluent area with highly sort after services, and will attract families with more vehicles than the developers are required to provide onsite parking for. The traffic flow impact may not affect the Pacific Highway, due to restricted access, but will significantly affect the local roads accessing the highway, cause extreme back up and traffic delays to its residents and extreme fire danger exit restrictions, which the current traffic reports neglect to consider.
While the sites of these new developments may not be Bushfire Prone Land, many dwellings in this precinct ARE on Bushfire Prone Land. These developments will make the safe evacuation of bushfire prone dwellings, and access by emergency services more difficult, if not impossible, in an emergency. Its gross negligence not to consider the impact on all residents using these minimal and inadequate escape exits.
The development IS in the ember zone of bushfires, please refer to councils bushfire simulation they created in August 2024
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17d72WfKfL/
South West Roseville is the ONLY suburb within Kuringgai council that has a bushfire risk within 800m of the station and you want to add in thousands of new units and cars to this danger zone without addressing the communities saftey and traffic concerns.
I am in favour of increased housing density, however traffic and safety issues need to be assessed together with ALL current and future developments and the saftey of all residents. I don't believe this is a safe area in which to add so many more residents without providing more fire exit routes for all those residents on the western side of the highway which use the same exit points as the proposed residences.
Henry Lance
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Henry Lance
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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My objection is based entirely on parking, traffic and bushfire concerns.
This development is one of several in this difficult-to-access area of homes. The houses in Findlay Ave, Alexander Pde, Maclaurin Pde, Corona Ave, Pockely Ave, Larkin St etc have 3 intersections with the Pacific Highway. Only one of these intersections has traffic lights that permit a left and right turn onto the Pacific Highway.
In the current situation, at many times of the day, it is common to wait through several red-green cycles before access to the highway is possible.
Each of the current SSD applications in this precinct contains a separate Traffic Impact Assessment. The reports state that each development, when assessed independently and in isolation, will not have a significant impact on traffic flow. However surely any assessment of traffic impact needs to take into account ALL new developments, as well as the developments already under construction in the precinct (of which there are several). The net increase of vehicles will be many multiples more than what is contained in each report.
While the sites of these new developments may not be Bushfire Prone Land, many (most?) dwellings in this precinct ARE on Bushfire Prone Land. These developments will make the safe evacuation of bushfire prone dwellings, and access by emergency services more difficult, if not impossible, in an emergency.
I am in favour of increased housing density, however traffic and safety issues need to be assessed together with ALL current and future developments.
This development is one of several in this difficult-to-access area of homes. The houses in Findlay Ave, Alexander Pde, Maclaurin Pde, Corona Ave, Pockely Ave, Larkin St etc have 3 intersections with the Pacific Highway. Only one of these intersections has traffic lights that permit a left and right turn onto the Pacific Highway.
In the current situation, at many times of the day, it is common to wait through several red-green cycles before access to the highway is possible.
Each of the current SSD applications in this precinct contains a separate Traffic Impact Assessment. The reports state that each development, when assessed independently and in isolation, will not have a significant impact on traffic flow. However surely any assessment of traffic impact needs to take into account ALL new developments, as well as the developments already under construction in the precinct (of which there are several). The net increase of vehicles will be many multiples more than what is contained in each report.
While the sites of these new developments may not be Bushfire Prone Land, many (most?) dwellings in this precinct ARE on Bushfire Prone Land. These developments will make the safe evacuation of bushfire prone dwellings, and access by emergency services more difficult, if not impossible, in an emergency.
I am in favour of increased housing density, however traffic and safety issues need to be assessed together with ALL current and future developments.
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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I had concerns about this project before but did not provide an objection at that time. This development is simply too large for the area which already has ingress and egress challenges. It is located right next to a bush fire prone zone in Alexander Parade and Findlay Av which are in the bush fire zone and who all share the limited escape routes with all these additional apartments. Furthermore the slope of the surrounding is of grave concern when it comes to bushfires. The additional traffic congestion from such a large development will significantly impact the safety of the existing occupants and potentially be life threatening. One further consideration is that this development is in ember zone according to the simulation created in August 2024.
In addition I do not support the increased height from the original development application, the increased floor space ratio and EVEN MORE dwellings with fewer car spaces.
The revision does not address the outstanding complaint about the insufficient soil depth
The setback from the street is not in line with the Kuringgai Councils plans
I do object this this development.
In addition I do not support the increased height from the original development application, the increased floor space ratio and EVEN MORE dwellings with fewer car spaces.
The revision does not address the outstanding complaint about the insufficient soil depth
The setback from the street is not in line with the Kuringgai Councils plans
I do object this this development.
Frank Keaveny
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Frank Keaveny
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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Hello,
I object to the above projects for the following reasons:
In case of evacuation because of a Bush Fire there are not enough exit roads to allow people to escape. Already Maclaurin Pde is congested and if there is a serious Bushfire there is a high probability that people will die due to the excessive number of people in the planned 330 plus new Units. Extra street parking for cars will further restrict emergency vehicles access and of course general access to the Pacific Highway.
There will also be environmental concerns such as water runoff. There is currently garden space on the Pockley island and excess water can drain away through the soil and the gardens. The construction of all the extra units will increase the amount of concrete and the water will not be absorbed and the creek on the low side of Alexander Pde will overflow into back yards etc.
Maximum households per road exit for safe evacuation during fire
A background study on bushfire management conducted on behalf of KurinGai Council in 2005 (Cova et al, 2005) concluded:
• There should be no more than 300-600 households for minimum number of 3 road exits.
• This is, however, a highly conservative estimate given it assumes:
1. A stationary climate
2. No change in fire behaviour in a rapidly warming climate
3. Orderly behaviour of residents during exit (e.g., no one returning home because they forget their pets/passports/jewellery etc.)
4. No entry into the area by emergency services (which in any case is not possible given parking means Larkin Lane, Larkin Street, Pockley Avenue, McLaurin Parade and Corona Avenues are all effectively one-way streets. NB the parking on these streets will only increase with additional households).
• The ‘problem’ in a sense arises if we have 4 road exits in Pockley-Shirley. However, I think it would be fair to argue a) the study is now 20 years out of date and it does not include the above assumptions.
I have seen no evidence that the developers, the Land and Environment Court, the NSW Gov, or KurinGai Council etc have considered the effects of a changing climate.
Regards,
Frank Keaveny
I object to the above projects for the following reasons:
In case of evacuation because of a Bush Fire there are not enough exit roads to allow people to escape. Already Maclaurin Pde is congested and if there is a serious Bushfire there is a high probability that people will die due to the excessive number of people in the planned 330 plus new Units. Extra street parking for cars will further restrict emergency vehicles access and of course general access to the Pacific Highway.
There will also be environmental concerns such as water runoff. There is currently garden space on the Pockley island and excess water can drain away through the soil and the gardens. The construction of all the extra units will increase the amount of concrete and the water will not be absorbed and the creek on the low side of Alexander Pde will overflow into back yards etc.
Maximum households per road exit for safe evacuation during fire
A background study on bushfire management conducted on behalf of KurinGai Council in 2005 (Cova et al, 2005) concluded:
• There should be no more than 300-600 households for minimum number of 3 road exits.
• This is, however, a highly conservative estimate given it assumes:
1. A stationary climate
2. No change in fire behaviour in a rapidly warming climate
3. Orderly behaviour of residents during exit (e.g., no one returning home because they forget their pets/passports/jewellery etc.)
4. No entry into the area by emergency services (which in any case is not possible given parking means Larkin Lane, Larkin Street, Pockley Avenue, McLaurin Parade and Corona Avenues are all effectively one-way streets. NB the parking on these streets will only increase with additional households).
• The ‘problem’ in a sense arises if we have 4 road exits in Pockley-Shirley. However, I think it would be fair to argue a) the study is now 20 years out of date and it does not include the above assumptions.
I have seen no evidence that the developers, the Land and Environment Court, the NSW Gov, or KurinGai Council etc have considered the effects of a changing climate.
Regards,
Frank Keaveny
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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I have serious reservations about the lack of consideration this application gives to the community issues raised in the attached document.
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,
New South Wales
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Traffic congestion
The issue of traffic congestion has not been properly addressed. It is misleading to say that the increase in traffic is minimal. An additional 55 cars per hour exiting to the Pacific Highway in the am peak hour will have an unacceptable impact. This is because the current traffic lights are barely able to allow residents to exit to the Pacific Highway. In the morning peak hour, the Pacific Highway is congested and traffic on the Pacific Highway backs up to the Maclaurin Parade traffic lights. This creates gridlock and only allows two or perhaps three cars to exit south on the Pacific Highway at peak hour. If the lights turn green every two minutes, then there will be an extra two cars on each change of lights trying to exit - and being peak hour the overwhelming majority of cars are heading south towards the city or Chatswood. If the existing cars at the traffic lights can only just manage to exit Maclaurin Parade, then an additional two cars every change of lights will mean that there will be an additional two car backlog and at the end of an hour there will be a backlog of approximately 55 cars - This is an unacceptable number for the existing suburban road system. Further the traffic report took no account of the recently completed development on the other side of Maclaurin Parade. This is a large development and will also generate more traffic.
The development will not be in character with the area.
It is said that the development is in character with the future changing nature of the area. A thorough analysis of the traffic implications of further developments of this size means that they would face obstacles to approval and is likely to render this development an orphan and one that will be seen as an eyesore due to its overwhelming scale.
Bushfire risk to other residents
It needs to be pointed out that residents in surrounding areas are at risk from bushfires. These residents also rely on the Maclaurin Parade lights to exit to the Pacific Highway. In the event of a fire then the abovementioned increased traffic will prevent a safe exit from the area.
The issue of traffic congestion has not been properly addressed. It is misleading to say that the increase in traffic is minimal. An additional 55 cars per hour exiting to the Pacific Highway in the am peak hour will have an unacceptable impact. This is because the current traffic lights are barely able to allow residents to exit to the Pacific Highway. In the morning peak hour, the Pacific Highway is congested and traffic on the Pacific Highway backs up to the Maclaurin Parade traffic lights. This creates gridlock and only allows two or perhaps three cars to exit south on the Pacific Highway at peak hour. If the lights turn green every two minutes, then there will be an extra two cars on each change of lights trying to exit - and being peak hour the overwhelming majority of cars are heading south towards the city or Chatswood. If the existing cars at the traffic lights can only just manage to exit Maclaurin Parade, then an additional two cars every change of lights will mean that there will be an additional two car backlog and at the end of an hour there will be a backlog of approximately 55 cars - This is an unacceptable number for the existing suburban road system. Further the traffic report took no account of the recently completed development on the other side of Maclaurin Parade. This is a large development and will also generate more traffic.
The development will not be in character with the area.
It is said that the development is in character with the future changing nature of the area. A thorough analysis of the traffic implications of further developments of this size means that they would face obstacles to approval and is likely to render this development an orphan and one that will be seen as an eyesore due to its overwhelming scale.
Bushfire risk to other residents
It needs to be pointed out that residents in surrounding areas are at risk from bushfires. These residents also rely on the Maclaurin Parade lights to exit to the Pacific Highway. In the event of a fire then the abovementioned increased traffic will prevent a safe exit from the area.
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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Please refer to the attached submission.
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ROSEVILLE
,
New South Wales
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I object to the planned development on the grounds that NSW planning has failed to consider bushfire evacuation risk to the residents of West Roseville as follows:
• The precinct already exceeds safe evacuation thresholds for areas with three exit roads.
• Coronial inquiries show that evacuation failure arises from bottlenecks, congestion, delays and fast-changing fire conditions—conditions present in West Roseville.
• Road geometry (single-lane pinch points, parked-car choke points) severely limits emergency access and evacuation flow.
• Climate projections and bushfire simulations confirm high ember exposure and short evacuation windows.
• NSW planning law requires assessment of human-safety risks, cumulative impacts and site suitability under natural hazards.
• ICJ findings reinforce obligations to assess foreseeable climate-exacerbated harm using best-available science.
• The precinct already exceeds safe evacuation thresholds for areas with three exit roads.
• Coronial inquiries show that evacuation failure arises from bottlenecks, congestion, delays and fast-changing fire conditions—conditions present in West Roseville.
• Road geometry (single-lane pinch points, parked-car choke points) severely limits emergency access and evacuation flow.
• Climate projections and bushfire simulations confirm high ember exposure and short evacuation windows.
• NSW planning law requires assessment of human-safety risks, cumulative impacts and site suitability under natural hazards.
• ICJ findings reinforce obligations to assess foreseeable climate-exacerbated harm using best-available science.