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NORTH KELLYVILLE
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The traffic on withers road is already terrible during school hours, our community cannot afford any more traffic jam and delays every day. It’s not appropriate to expand any school before major traffic improvements
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BEAUMONT HILLS
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I am living just next to Malek Fahd Islamic School. I do not wish to proceed the expansion. I believe after the expansion, there will have more students come to the school and the road traffic will be worse. Also as a resident, I do not want the school building to block the light of my back yard.
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BEAUMONT HILLS
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New South Wales
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The surrounding road are not capable to absorb the volume of extra cars or buses to drop off or pick-up
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NORTH KELLYVILLE
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Currently, it already takes over an hour to navigate the area around the school during morning drop-off and afternoon pick-up times. Expanding the school will undoubtedly bring more students, staff, and families into the area, significantly increasing the volume of cars. This added congestion could lead to even longer travel times, creating gridlock not only around the school but also on surrounding roads. With the current infrastructure struggling to support existing traffic levels, it is highly unlikely that any additional measures would sufficiently alleviate the situation.
With more vehicles on the road, the safety of students, parents, and pedestrians is likely to be compromised. Narrow roads, already overcrowded with cars, present a significant hazard, particularly during peak hours. Expanding the school without addressing these safety concerns would put our children at increased risk and add pressure to an already overburdened traffic system.
Expanding the school will require additional resources—both in terms of staff and services. Given that our local infrastructure, including healthcare, public transport, and social services, is already stretched thin, further strain could impact the quality of services available to the community. Additionally, there may be a need for further investment in roads and traffic management systems to accommodate the increase in people, which could divert funds from other essential projects or services.
More vehicles on the road contribute to greater air pollution and carbon emissions, which contradict efforts to improve environmental sustainability in our community. An increase in traffic congestion could also affect local noise levels, further diminishing the quality of life for residents living near the school.
Rather than expanding the school, I encourage the council to explore other option or a different location for the school.
With more vehicles on the road, the safety of students, parents, and pedestrians is likely to be compromised. Narrow roads, already overcrowded with cars, present a significant hazard, particularly during peak hours. Expanding the school without addressing these safety concerns would put our children at increased risk and add pressure to an already overburdened traffic system.
Expanding the school will require additional resources—both in terms of staff and services. Given that our local infrastructure, including healthcare, public transport, and social services, is already stretched thin, further strain could impact the quality of services available to the community. Additionally, there may be a need for further investment in roads and traffic management systems to accommodate the increase in people, which could divert funds from other essential projects or services.
More vehicles on the road contribute to greater air pollution and carbon emissions, which contradict efforts to improve environmental sustainability in our community. An increase in traffic congestion could also affect local noise levels, further diminishing the quality of life for residents living near the school.
Rather than expanding the school, I encourage the council to explore other option or a different location for the school.
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BEAUMONT HILLS
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I am writing to express my strong objection to the proposed development plan for the school which aims to increase the number of buildings and height of buildings on the school premises. While I understand the intent behind the expansion, I firmly believe that this development will have significant negative implications for our community, particularly in terms of traffic congestion.
As a long-standing resident of Beaumont Hills, I have observed the existing traffic patterns and congestion issues that plague our area, especially during peak hours. The addition of new buildings to the school will inevitably lead to increased vehicular traffic, exacerbating the already critical situation. This development will not only affect the residents but also pose safety risks to students, parents, and staff members commuting to and from the school.
The current infrastructure is not equipped to handle a substantial increase in traffic. Our roads are already congested, and adding more vehicles will only lead to longer commute times, increased pollution, and heightened frustration among residents. Furthermore, there is high risk of serious injury or fatality due to the current state of the roads. The safety of pedestrians, particularly children, is also a major concern, as increased traffic heightens the risk of accidents.
Already there is daily examples of parents using nearby driveways to abruptly stop to pick up their kids and to complete illegal u-turns. Their disregard for others safety including their own kids has causes much anxiousness with local residents. This with the high volume of vehicles creates accidents awaiting to happen.
I urge you to consider alternative solutions that do not involve expanding the physical footprint of the school.
As a long-standing resident of Beaumont Hills, I have observed the existing traffic patterns and congestion issues that plague our area, especially during peak hours. The addition of new buildings to the school will inevitably lead to increased vehicular traffic, exacerbating the already critical situation. This development will not only affect the residents but also pose safety risks to students, parents, and staff members commuting to and from the school.
The current infrastructure is not equipped to handle a substantial increase in traffic. Our roads are already congested, and adding more vehicles will only lead to longer commute times, increased pollution, and heightened frustration among residents. Furthermore, there is high risk of serious injury or fatality due to the current state of the roads. The safety of pedestrians, particularly children, is also a major concern, as increased traffic heightens the risk of accidents.
Already there is daily examples of parents using nearby driveways to abruptly stop to pick up their kids and to complete illegal u-turns. Their disregard for others safety including their own kids has causes much anxiousness with local residents. This with the high volume of vehicles creates accidents awaiting to happen.
I urge you to consider alternative solutions that do not involve expanding the physical footprint of the school.
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BEAUMONT HILLS
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I have been a residence in the local area for more than 7 years and since the last expansion of the school I noticed an increased in traffic in the streets close by to this school. Not only parents with children attending this school park their cars illegally around the local streets for drop off and pick up, they are also blocking the way for moving traffic and even footpath for pedestrian. They also drive recklessly, and in larger number now since the school has increased their intake. The children also crossing the road dangerously/recklessly because their parents decide to park and block other streets rather than joining the pick up queue as the school. This school is already the largest Islamic school in the state and the local area's current infrastructure can not cater for more expansion of the school.
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NORTH KELLYVILLE
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An increase in education infrastructure to cater to the growing community in the hills district is a good idea
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NORTH KELLYVILLE
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I don't have a commentary to pass on the actual development itself within the school, I understand the need to increase school capacity across the growing Hills area and support the schools intentions. I do object to the traffic report and associated existing issues with road infrastructure in the vicinity of the school, and that the current infrastructure is already unsustainable with no near term resolution. This is the main impact on myself as a local resident of North Kellyville.
The traffic report fails to provide adequate detail on the data collections, and indicates that the current nearby roads have no issues with accommodating an increased load of traffic. The traffic reports fails to specify on which dates the data was collected, and fails to indicate in which times in AM/PM that the data was collected. This is critical context given the purpose of the application is to double school numbers, impacting specifically on times between 7:30-9:00am and 2:30-4:30pm.
Withers Road is currently a single lane each way, with an intersection roundabout with Mungerie Road, which is a primary chokepoint on the road. There are significant chokepoints as well at Commercial Road intersection, with extended queues of congestion in all directions during school periods. This impacts on both private vehicles movements and public transport. While Hills Shire Council will indicate that the road is "planned" for an upgrade, that "plan" has been theoretical for many years now with no commitments to upgrade. Currently in the AM period, from 8:00-9:00am, traffic is built up westbound on Withers Road, from the Mungerie Road intersection beyond Smalls Creek, and at times, backed up into and beyond Barry Road, Hezlett Road, a distance of 1.3km. In the PM period, traffic can be built up eastbound on Withers Road from the Mungerie Road intesection to Rouse Hill High School. This does not appear to be adequately reflected upon in the traffic report. (Dashcam footage supporting this traffic can be provided)
The traffic report cites in the AM period that there are 45 cars that undertake a 270 degree u-turn, on Mungerie Road north bound and exiting Mungerie Road south bound. This is a high level of cars undertaking a u-turn comparatively to a normal roundabout, with the cars being attendees of the school. based upon the schools recommendations that parents undertake this route. The school recommends this approach, as in 2023 Mungerie Road was modified to prevent northbound traffic from turning right into the school entrance, instead, cars will travel northbound and make a u-turn at Mungerie Road roundabout to approach the school southbound.
The traffic report however cites that "Future AM" period will not see any increase in u-turns using the roundabout. Existing AM report cites 45 u-turns, while the Future AM report also cites 45 u-turns. This is difficult to believe that the appropriate modelling has been undertaken, given the traffic increase planned for the school. The same data assumptions exist in the PM report as well. So considering the above, the traffic report indicates a 0% increase on u-Turns.
Additionally the Future AM period only cites an increase of 34 vehicles turning right into Mungerie Road from Withers Road eastbound (a 23% increase). They cite an increase of 17 cars westbound on Withers Road, turning into Mungerie Road (14.6% increase).
Considering the above, the traffic report indicates that left bound movement into the school will increase by 170 vehicles, or 86.2%. It is very difficult to believe, that the majority vehicle movements +112 cars, will route via the missing data of Guardian Avenue, a very lengthy detour and complex approach to the school. There appears to be an extremely flawed assumption that the majority of vehicles will approach from the Bramptom Drive (130% increase), an approach that requires significant navigation through the suburbs of Beaumont Hills.
Withers Road / Mungerie Road proposed intersection upgrade when last cited 5 years ago, proposed a double lane roundabout. Given the increasing school capacity, proximity to 3 other schools and significantly sized sporting venue, this upgrade should be a pre-requirement to be a traffic light controlled intersection. Safe pedestrian movements is required as students of the school are sighted utilising public transport along Withers Road in AM/PM, having to cross through peak hour traffic with only a traffic island. Withers Road also requires the overdue upgrade to 2 lanes each way, and should be a pre-requirement of the school upgrade, or any school upgrade in the vicinity.
Mitigation of traffic could be considered as well through the installation of a roundabout at Mungerie Road / Guardian Avenue to enable appropriate traffic movements away from Withers Road, similar to the roundabout at Ironbark Ridge Public School. Alternatively, the school could consider in their planning to have an appropriately size roundabout at the school entrance, provided that the plan significantly improves on movement within the school itself and traffic on the public road will not be significantly hindered, well, more than it already is.
Thank you for the consideration
The traffic report fails to provide adequate detail on the data collections, and indicates that the current nearby roads have no issues with accommodating an increased load of traffic. The traffic reports fails to specify on which dates the data was collected, and fails to indicate in which times in AM/PM that the data was collected. This is critical context given the purpose of the application is to double school numbers, impacting specifically on times between 7:30-9:00am and 2:30-4:30pm.
Withers Road is currently a single lane each way, with an intersection roundabout with Mungerie Road, which is a primary chokepoint on the road. There are significant chokepoints as well at Commercial Road intersection, with extended queues of congestion in all directions during school periods. This impacts on both private vehicles movements and public transport. While Hills Shire Council will indicate that the road is "planned" for an upgrade, that "plan" has been theoretical for many years now with no commitments to upgrade. Currently in the AM period, from 8:00-9:00am, traffic is built up westbound on Withers Road, from the Mungerie Road intersection beyond Smalls Creek, and at times, backed up into and beyond Barry Road, Hezlett Road, a distance of 1.3km. In the PM period, traffic can be built up eastbound on Withers Road from the Mungerie Road intesection to Rouse Hill High School. This does not appear to be adequately reflected upon in the traffic report. (Dashcam footage supporting this traffic can be provided)
The traffic report cites in the AM period that there are 45 cars that undertake a 270 degree u-turn, on Mungerie Road north bound and exiting Mungerie Road south bound. This is a high level of cars undertaking a u-turn comparatively to a normal roundabout, with the cars being attendees of the school. based upon the schools recommendations that parents undertake this route. The school recommends this approach, as in 2023 Mungerie Road was modified to prevent northbound traffic from turning right into the school entrance, instead, cars will travel northbound and make a u-turn at Mungerie Road roundabout to approach the school southbound.
The traffic report however cites that "Future AM" period will not see any increase in u-turns using the roundabout. Existing AM report cites 45 u-turns, while the Future AM report also cites 45 u-turns. This is difficult to believe that the appropriate modelling has been undertaken, given the traffic increase planned for the school. The same data assumptions exist in the PM report as well. So considering the above, the traffic report indicates a 0% increase on u-Turns.
Additionally the Future AM period only cites an increase of 34 vehicles turning right into Mungerie Road from Withers Road eastbound (a 23% increase). They cite an increase of 17 cars westbound on Withers Road, turning into Mungerie Road (14.6% increase).
Considering the above, the traffic report indicates that left bound movement into the school will increase by 170 vehicles, or 86.2%. It is very difficult to believe, that the majority vehicle movements +112 cars, will route via the missing data of Guardian Avenue, a very lengthy detour and complex approach to the school. There appears to be an extremely flawed assumption that the majority of vehicles will approach from the Bramptom Drive (130% increase), an approach that requires significant navigation through the suburbs of Beaumont Hills.
Withers Road / Mungerie Road proposed intersection upgrade when last cited 5 years ago, proposed a double lane roundabout. Given the increasing school capacity, proximity to 3 other schools and significantly sized sporting venue, this upgrade should be a pre-requirement to be a traffic light controlled intersection. Safe pedestrian movements is required as students of the school are sighted utilising public transport along Withers Road in AM/PM, having to cross through peak hour traffic with only a traffic island. Withers Road also requires the overdue upgrade to 2 lanes each way, and should be a pre-requirement of the school upgrade, or any school upgrade in the vicinity.
Mitigation of traffic could be considered as well through the installation of a roundabout at Mungerie Road / Guardian Avenue to enable appropriate traffic movements away from Withers Road, similar to the roundabout at Ironbark Ridge Public School. Alternatively, the school could consider in their planning to have an appropriately size roundabout at the school entrance, provided that the plan significantly improves on movement within the school itself and traffic on the public road will not be significantly hindered, well, more than it already is.
Thank you for the consideration
Rafat Abdalla
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GREENACRE
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New South Wales
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Need more info please
Ahmed Soliman
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Ahmed Soliman
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NORTH KELLYVILLE
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New South Wales
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I support the project with no comments.