Jupiter Wind Farm

I bought my land and built my home with the intention of living in a rural area with a view of trees and animals and birds. Not seeing extremely over sized wind turbines of 173metre high from my home.
I would not have bought my property 10 years ago if I had know that wind turbines would be built in the area that I now call home.

I live on a beautiful piece of bush countryside and do not want the ugly view of some large 88 wind turbines as my view. I am concerned with impact they will have when bush fires occur in our area (we have had one fire in December and another very large one in January in our area). If it were not for the DC10 dropping fire retardant and helicopters dropping their buckets of water we well may have lost our home.
Why can't they be built in non residential areas - the people who live here are the same as those who live in suburbia - we just have larger back yards.

My partner and I are first home buyers. We struggled and worked very hard to get our deposit together to purchase this block. In the dream to build a house and start a family. This is supposed to be the Australian dream. We are not happy with the proposed wind farm develop for the many following reasons. We will see a 300 degree view of wind turbines. Three of which are within 2 kilometres. We are in a significantly affected area of this wind farm development. This has been stated at the town hall by the host on our street that we will be severely affected by the wind turbines on their property. We enjoy the beauty of a country landscape which will be thoroughly ruined due to being surrounded by wind turbines. The previous owners did not disclose the wind farm project and there lack of honest was supported by the current laws which we feel the Government and EPYC are obligated to ensure all land owners are not affected by this project being proposed.

Our concerns with raising a family here is due to the minimal research regarding potential health risks. We are within 2 kilometres from a substation and wind turbine number 4, 6 and 32. They state there isn't evidence of damage but EPYC evidence presented could be bias and not in the best interested of the residents in the area. Was the research conducted under similar circumstances to our wind farm development including weather (wind speeds), high community dwellings, long term side effects to community, land and health, is the research about wind turbines 178 metres tall. We question how the research can cover all our concerns due to it is the first time 178 metre wind turbines are planned on being built in Australia. Another concern for health concerns is infra sounds and having turbines within 2 kilometres of our house. Will we be able to sleep? The possibility to sound proof is possible but expensive causing residents not receiving any benefits from this project having to go out of our way and pocket not be irritated by the wind turbines.

I'm concerned due to the infra sounds EPYC compares the wind turbines noise to waves in the ocean, waterfalls and thunder. All of these especially thunder are very loud. Thunder only occurs in weather not all year round. Oceans and waterfalls are beautiful and increase property price. I think the research is stupid and bias and most likely paid for by EPYC. I wonder how the noise won't be an issue considering EPYC hasn't even chosen the equipment (EPYC stated that in their newsletter on 20.1.17). Therefore how can any sound disturbance reports be accurate?
We have not been offer any benefit sharing in a significantly affected area due to our DA is in the progress of approval and have not completed our home. It is not right that benefit sharing is not offered to all land holders. We have invested in the interest to live full time on our property and commute to our jobs in the ACT. Especially since the laws do not protect buyers to be informed about the project. For first home buyers this law does not seem right or Australian.
Why would anyone want to buy a property completely surrounded by wind turbines with no benefit sharing and only a few trees to block the view of 178 metre wind turbines? Will we have to wait until we are 75 years old and then just maybe the trees will block the view of the wind turbines? The property value is a huge concern due to we only recently purchased our property in July 2016. If we build, is it a waste of money? There is no point wasting out limited funds on a property that doesn't increase in value. We have found online research claiming that wind turbines close to your home can decrease property value by 20%. Therefore without being compensated via annual benefits or voluntary land acquisition we are financial screwed.

We don't understand why the Tarago, Boro, Mount Fairy, Mulloon and surrounding areas being affected by the EPYC project have been chosen in the first place. It is the highest populated area on record to have been chosen for this type of project. A solar farm wouldn't affect noise, visual and many community concerns. Solar power is a more effective and reliable source of power. Perfect for Australian conditions. Wind is unpredictable and wind turbines are high safety risk to the community. What if a wind turbine fell over?

The size of the investment raises concerns of government bias towards the project. The research the government has conducted is bias. And the independent body is paid for and bias towards the government. We have only received consultation from EPYC on 17.01.17 after purchasing the property in July 2016. Which we believe is due to the fact that if we didn't know about it we couldn't get started on building our new house to be included in the benefit sharing which they are ending in April 2017. This short cut-off date is leaving us without any options. Our concerns of even considering voluntary land acquisition in a worst case scenario is that the EPYC and government's independent land valuers are bias.

Weather conditions such as wind storms or tornados can damage wind turbines causing safety concerns for employees and residents in the area. Can the wind turbines reach the 1:100 wind speeds? What research supports your decision? How will the wildlife be effected? The development of large wind turbines will require large holes of probably cement to hold the turbines in place raising serious concerns of how this will effect soil erosion and soil moisture content. These large wind turbines could permanently damage the water aqueduct networks under the ground which feed the local spring which the community uses for the animals and irrigation. This would severely affect our water supply.

The wind turbines will affect television and mobile reception. This is the one issue EPYC will try to improve is the phone reception but will the television interference be fixed. Will the reception issues be worse the closer your home is to the wind turbines and substation?

There will be a lot of damage to the road due to the construction. Will costs to fix the roads be paid for by EPYC not our rates? What delays will be caused due to the construction? Safety concerns on the roads, due to the extra traffic on country roads not designed for traffic will increase in the possibility of bad and frequent car crashes.

My partner and I are first home buyers. We struggled and worked very hard to get our deposit together to purchase this block. In the dream to build a house and start a family. This is supposed to be the Australian dream. We are not happy with the proposed wind farm develop for the many following reasons. We will see a 300 degree view of wind turbines. Three of which are within 2 kilometres. We are in a significantly affected area of this wind farm development. This has been stated at the town hall by the host on our street that we will be severely affected by the wind turbines on their property. We enjoy the beauty of a country landscape which will be thoroughly ruined due to being surrounded by wind turbines. The previous owners did not disclose the wind farm project and there lack of honest was supported by the current laws which we feel the Government and EPYC are obligated to ensure all land owners are not affected by this project being proposed.

Our concerns with raising a family here is due to the minimal research regarding potential health risks. We are within 2 kilometres from a substation and wind turbine number 4, 6 and 32. They state there isn't evidence of damage but EPYC evidence presented could be bias and not in the best interested of the residents in the area. Was the research conducted under similar circumstances to our wind farm development including weather (wind speeds), high community dwellings, long term side effects to community, land and health, is the research about wind turbines 178 metres tall. We question how the research can cover all our concerns due to it is the first time 178 metre wind turbines are planned on being built in Australia. Another concern for health concerns is infra sounds and having turbines within 2 kilometres of our house. Will we be able to sleep? The possibility to sound proof is possible but expensive causing residents not receiving any benefits from this project having to go out of our way and pocket not be irritated by the wind turbines.

I'm concerned due to the infra sounds EPYC compares the wind turbines noise to waves in the ocean, waterfalls and thunder. All of these especially thunder are very loud. Thunder only occurs in weather not all year round. Oceans and waterfalls are beautiful and increase property price. I think the research is stupid and bias and most likely paid for by EPYC. I wonder how the noise won't be an issue considering EPYC hasn't even chosen the equipment (EPYC stated that in their newsletter on 20.1.17). Therefore how can any sound disturbance reports be accurate?
We have not been offer any benefit sharing in a significantly affected area due to our DA is in the progress of approval and have not completed our home. It is not right that benefit sharing is not offered to all land holders. We have invested in the interest to live full time on our property and commute to our jobs in the ACT. Especially since the laws do not protect buyers to be informed about the project. For first home buyers this law does not seem right or Australian.
Why would anyone want to buy a property completely surrounded by wind turbines with no benefit sharing and only a few trees to block the view of 178 metre wind turbines? Will we have to wait until we are 75 years old and then just maybe the trees will block the view of the wind turbines? The property value is a huge concern due to we only recently purchased our property in July 2016. If we build, is it a waste of money? There is no point wasting out limited funds on a property that doesn't increase in value. We have found online research claiming that wind turbines close to your home can decrease property value by 20%. Therefore without being compensated via annual benefits or voluntary land acquisition we are financial screwed.

We don't understand why the Tarago, Boro, Mount Fairy, Mulloon and surrounding areas being affected by the EPYC project have been chosen in the first place. It is the highest populated area on record to have been chosen for this type of project. A solar farm wouldn't affect noise, visual and many community concerns. Solar power is a more effective and reliable source of power. Perfect for Australian conditions. Wind is unpredictable and wind turbines are high safety risk to the community. What if a wind turbine fell over?

The size of the investment raises concerns of government bias towards the project. The research the government has conducted is bias. And the independent body is paid for and bias towards the government. We have only received consultation from EPYC on 17.01.17 after purchasing the property in July 2016. Which we believe is due to the fact that if we didn't know about it we couldn't get started on building our new house to be included in the benefit sharing which they are ending in April 2017. This short cut-off date is leaving us without any options. Our concerns of even considering voluntary land acquisition in a worst case scenario is that the EPYC and government's independent land valuers are bias.

Weather conditions such as wind storms or tornados can damage wind turbines causing safety concerns for employees and residents in the area. Can the wind turbines reach the 1:100 wind speeds? What research supports your decision? How will the wildlife be effected? The development of large wind turbines will require large holes of probably cement to hold the turbines in place raising serious concerns of how this will effect soil erosion and soil moisture content. These large wind turbines could permanently damage the water aqueduct networks under the ground which feed the local spring which the community uses for the animals and irrigation. This would severely affect our water supply.

The wind turbines will affect television and mobile reception. This is the one issue EPYC will try to improve is the phone reception but will the television interference be fixed. Will the reception issues be worse the closer your home is to the wind turbines and substation?

There will be a lot of damage to the road due to the construction. Will costs to fix the roads be paid for by EPYC not our rates? What delays will be caused due to the construction? Safety concerns on the roads, due to the extra traffic on country roads not designed for traffic will increase in the possibility of bad and frequent car crashes.

Hamish & Sarah
0412016219

EPYC is a corrupt company that is only interested in lining their own pockets
there for they think it ok to decrease the value of the land for the company's benefit
i end this with what we think EPYC stands for
Evil
Pissants
You
Can't trust

decrease's the value of the land
and is a bush fire hazard

This hideous development will ruin what is a natural rural environment. I visit Coriole to escape the city and development and to enjoy the diverse fauna and flora.
The proposed turbine being just 450 meters from this beautiful property is just far too close.
I reserve my right to submit further information in support of my submission.

I have been going to Coriole for over 25 years and have enjoyed spending time there in the natural environment.
Learning about the proposed development concerns me deeply as i believe the in the future, the environment i enjoyed visiting will never be the same.
Why should this development be dumped on to our doorstep when there is ample space in the crown land behind Coriole?
I totally object to the proposal and I'm concerned that this has not been thoroughly considered.
Regards,
Mark Goble

I wish to lodge an objection to the proposed Jupiter Wind Farm Project based on the following:
* Landscape Deterioration - both the landholders in direct line of sight of the wind towers, and the huge number of landholders who own property in the beautiful areas nearby, have experienced a huge loss of amenity and lifestyle since the establishment of the Capital wind farm. Joe Hockey may have described these wind towers as an 'eyesore' upon driving from Goulburn to Canberra via Lake George, but to really see the impact you need to take a drive from Bungendore to Tarago where you will see the true enormity of the impact on the landscape these wind towers pose, and that these affected landholders must experience on a daily basis. Consequently for landholders that will be impacted by the proposed Jupiter wind farm, and particularly for those landholders who will be impacted by both wind farms, there is an unacceptable change to the visual rural landscape they are a part of.
* Ambient Noise - for landholders located between the source of the wind and the wind towers themselves, at the existing Capital wind farm, the peace and quiet of the country environment that they purchased, has been changed to a background noise of a busy highway (a hum, or a drone). Those affected change according to the wind direction. This has seriously affected the quality of lifestyle for these landholders, and the proposed Jupiter wind farm will mean that many more landholders will be unacceptably affected by noise.
* Increased Road Traffic - as a resident of Mount Fairy Rd I have noticed an increase in traffic associated with the Capital wind farm on the Bungendore-Tarago Rd. Mount Fairy Rd is one of the links between the Capital wind farm and the proposed Jupiter wind farm. At present Mount Fairy Rd is only partially sealed at each end near the junction with the Bungendore-Tarago Rd and near the junction with the Braidwood-Goulburn Rd. The gravel section is already dangerous for the amount of traffic that uses it, too narrow in places for 2-way traffic to pass each other easily, and with several sharp bends and blind spots. After rain, or even after prolonged dry spells, this gravel road is pitted with pot holes, ruts, corrugations and patches of bull dust. I believe the proposed Jupiter wind farm will generate an increase in vehicle movements on Mount Fairy Rd, as well as both the Bungendore-Tarago Rd and the Braidwood-Goulburn Rd that is unacceptable to local landholders and residents for the discomfort and danger that they will be exposed to.
* Threat to Bird Life - there needs to be an independent study into the number of birds killed or injured at the existing Capital wind farm, by the turbine blades as well as the high voltage wires, because there is evidence that wind farms are posing a constant threat to bird life, and yet this information needs to be quantified and available to the public.
* Increased Fire Risk - as seen very recently with the Currandooley bushfire of the 17th January, which burnt out nearly 4000 Ha, and from which my property was badly affected, wind farms pose an unacceptable fire risk to landholders near and far. The official story at present is that a crow landed on the high voltage wires, was electrocuted and burst into flames, causing the recent fire. There are many other opinions circulating as to the cause of the fire, including sparks coming from the wind tower engines themselves, or wind tower maintenance staff working in the vicinity of the wind farm infrastructure. This is now the subject of a Coronial Inquiry, so perhaps we need to wait and see what, or who, was responsible. However, what is clear, is that the wind towers, their associated infrastructure and the activities associated with the running and maintenance of the wind towers pose an unacceptable risk in an environment that is uncontrolled to minimise that risk, and an environment that is shared with a high number of independent landholders, that mostly receive no benefit from sharing that unacceptable risk! On reporting the recent Currandooley fire, the Goulburn Post said there had been another fire several weeks earlier at the Capital wind farm near Woodlawn, caused in a similar fashion, and that the fire burned about 20 hectares before being extinguished. It was reported that there was also another bird killed on the 21st January, in the same place and same way as the bird which apparently started the fire on the 17th January. This electrocuted bird fell on the already burned ground and no fire ensued. These events provide reasonable grounds to believe that there may be systemic and ongoing hazards associated with the existing Capital wind farm, and that the proposed Jupiter wind farm will only amplify such an unacceptable fire risk.
* Community Division - with a project such as the existing Capital wind farm or the proposed Jupiter wind farm there are some winners and many losers. Clearly there are some winners amongst the landholders that gain financially from contracts they have with wind farms, for hosting wind towers on their land, however they are sworn to secrecy over the amounts they are paid annually, or the hush money they were paid to stop voicing their opposition to wind farms. And it has to be said it appears that the wind farm companies themselves are winners, because they are paid huge government subsides annually for building and maintaining the wind farms. However, the vast majority of landholders affected by the wind farms are losers. Not only are there the reasons I have already outlined, but the fact that there are winners and losers with regard to this issue, this is dividing communities previously united by their common enjoyment of a quiet country lifestyle that they paid to enjoy by purchasing property in this area. This dividing of communities, pitting neighbour against neighbour is a travesty - it is un-Australian and unacceptable!
* Reduction in Land Values - many Australians are in favour of renewable energies, including myself, but many of those same Australians have a 'not in my backyard' outlook towards the infrastructure involved in generating renewable energy. When I leave and return from my property, I have to look at a very changed landscape since the establishment of the Capital wind farm. The wind towers are clearly visible from my driveway stretching along the length of the horizon. They are quite close to the Bungendore end of Mount Fairy Rd, and when driving home from Bungendore they are huge, densely populating the vista with many, many towers visible and clumped together, dominating the previously rural landscape. The proposed Jupiter wind farm is to be established at the other end of Mount Fairy Rd, along the other side of the Braidwood-Goulburn Rd. So for me, and the large number of landholders who have property in the vicinity of Bungendore-Tarago, we will be surrounded by wind towers on both sides. All of the associated problems we experience with one existing wind farm will be amplified by the establishment of another wind farm, such as loss of the beautiful and peaceful country environment that attracted us to the region. Inevitably we landholders feel that our properties have significantly dropped in value due to the reluctance of prospective purchasers to buy in an area whose natural beauty is, or will be, impacted by being surrounded by wind towers!

OBJECTIONS TO THE JUPITER WIND FARM PROPOSAL

I have relatives who live within 2 km of the proposed Jupiter Wind Farm. I visit them and I am very well aware of the negative impact this proposed project is already having on them. I feet that it is important, as an outsider, to support them in their objections.

My principle objection is that the proposed wind turbines are in the wrong location. At least 59 residences are situated within 2 km of the proposed turbines. It seems remarkable that in this really big continent, that this was considered the best position. Quite frankly, there should be a law against having wind turbines built so close to residences, even if they are close to one of the main 330kV electricity arteries of the state.

My next objection is related to the potential health impact of infrasound generated by the working wind turbines. It affects people differently, but it is real. Just as not every person exposed to asbestos got mesothelioma, and not every person exposed to DTT got cancer or bore deformed babies, time has proved these products an unacceptable risk to society.

My third objection is the further biodiversity destruction (clearing of 89ha of vegetation, including around 50ha of native forest) required for the installation of the wind turbines, in an area that has had its fair share of biodiversity destruction.

I know that local residents have other valid objections, such as noise levels, wireless reception and the inevitable property devaluation, but I feel most strongly about the above three as they relate to health and the environment.

There is no doubt that the world needs wind farms, but for goodness sake, install them in a more suitable remote location.

To whom it may concern,
My wife and I have been visiting the family property Manar for more than 20 years. Our three children have grown up with a love of the area. When we heard of the proposed wind farm and saw the plans we were extremely saddened. The value and charm of the area comes from its expansive vistas and the impression of seclusion. The towering turbines will destroy that. Please reconsider the proposal for the sake of the local residents and its many visitors.
Regards,
Brad Miller

To whom it may concern,
We are lovers of the Braidwood and Bungendore areas and are strongly opposed to the locating of the Jupiter wind farm in the hills around Manar. This is a beautiful area with many locals and visitors who will be impacted greatly by the imposition of steel towers in their front yards. The farms in the area are nestled amongst wilderness and enjoy the serenity offered by that. That will be gone. It will be destroyed if such towers are rammed into that scenery. There is a need for renewables but not at the expense of the environment to this degree.
We strongly object to this proposal

Yours sincerely,

Melanie

I Strongly object to the Jupiter wind turbine Industrial development on the grounds listed below.
- The entire 88 wind turbines ( according to the EIS ) will be directly in front of my property and very visible/ prominant. My property presently has clear and unimpeded views to the Budawang ranges (Clyde mountain). This hard won and fought for pristine view which was the catalyst for original purchase 30 years ago will be utterly destroyed if this proposal proceeds to development.
-EPYC has NEVER contacted me in any way whatsoever to explain/ consult or discuss this proposal. The fact that it is around 10 klms away makes absolutely no difference due to the significant impact on my property and amenity. I would urge the department to visit my property to view for themselves . This would be the right and proper thing to do.
- If this proposal is accepted there is nothing to stop EPYC from applying to alter the location of the turbines or indeed to seek to increase the height of the turbines thereby impacting all the many hundreds of residents even more. In regards to the 250 residents within 5 klm's and the hundreds more out to 10 klm's and beyond it is important to remember that 'we were here first' . After suffering the ever expanding 'Capital' wind fiasco it is clearly unreasonable that any further development of this type be visited on this locale. People have simply had enough.
The DOP must by now surely be aware of the many hundreds of wind turbines around the world that have caught fire ( just google 'wind turbine fires'). The excuse that fire that started 2 klm's directly behind my property and attributed to a bird arcing across power lines and starting a fire is unbelievable in light of the fact that there has not been a fire on or next to my property for over 160 years. Almost 1000 meters of fencing and 20 acres of weed free pasture and significant remnant bushland was destroyed in this very fierce fire,( which incidentally started very close and downwind from the base of a wind turbine-certainly not 200 or more meters away as Infigen has suggested-I saw it with my own eyes) If not for the efforts of RFS my house would have been destroyed. It WILL happen again and I fear that I may not be so lucky next time. Is this any way to live?
The DOP should by now be aware of the issues surrounding wind turbine projects, the diminishing security of the electricity grid and the ever increasing cost of power to the user. Recent events in SA are certain to be replicated in other states if reliance on these novelty energy systems increases.
- The scope of the EPYC proposal will have certain detrimental impacts on flora and fauna by fracturing the landscape well beyond that already experienced through current farming practices.
It is clear EPYC has failed to address the EIS in a proper and meaningful way . The project must be rejected.

We are neighbours of the the planned Jupiter Wind Farm and am concerned about the impact the farm will have on views and property valuation. The most attractive place on the property to build a home is at the ridge and peak area of Red Hill where the easterly view will be majorly impacted by the proposed wind farm, in particular the Southern Boro Zone where the beautiful view East, South East towards the coastal ranges will be essentially blocked. As our property has a high vantage point at altitude 750m, it essentially commands 360 degree views of the area.

The Visual Impact Assessment provided by EPYC shows our property is in the the impacted area as highly impacted however their has been no visual impact assessed directly from our property in the direction of the proposed wind farm which is concerning.

Also, a new 33 kVA transmission line will be installed along Goulburn Road along our property which will also have detrimental visual impact.

We are concerned that EPYC's proposed voluntary benefits scheme, even though our property is within 2 km of the nearest turbines, only seeks to compensate properties with existing dwellings or a DA prior to EIS. Although our land does not have dwellings at present, our intention is to build on the property and the current proposal would not be acceptable to us.

In any case, we do not see the difference between the impacts on the land with or without dwellings. The views and property valuation will be negatively impacted in either case and we cannot agree with the proposal as currently presented.

I strongly object EPYC's proposal for the Jupiter Wind Project.

This project has been a disaster since Day 1. Lazy planning from EPYC - at the expense of the local community and more importantly Australia's beautiful natural landscape.

Windfarm technology is continuously improving and becoming more efficient. If EPYC was to go ahead with up to 88 turbines standing 173m tall, in 10 or 20 years time I'm sure, without a doubt, we will all be shaking our heads as to gave this project the green light.

Our beautiful country with rich indigenous history will be scarred with these absolute eyesore's which will be superseded by new technology very quickly.

I am quite emotional and disappointed as this project directly impacts my parents who have bona fide purchased 330 acres in Tarago without knowing about this project. As soon as wind turbines are erected, land prices will plummet, enjoyment of the land will severely decrease (visibly, and through noise disruptment), and natural wildlife will be negatively impacted. Lastly, I'm also concerned for the safety of my parents, given the ignition of the most recent wildfire was caused by a nearby windfarm. Just pathetic to see so many resources wasted trying to protect property, livestock, and local business, all because of 'green' technologies.

The decision maker must also consider these risks with the break even point, at which the energy made from wind has covered the environmental damage caused in the production and installation of the turbines.

As such, I strongly object this futile project.

we are for it because it will bring jobs and money to the local area witch is need for the area.

1 visual impact based on the current development application the views from our property will be serverly impacted by the construction of the wind turbimes and the assosiatted high voltage power lines. 2. Healh impact to date there has not been enough independent study to fully establish the healh defects caused by wind turbines on both humans and livestock 3.financial costs after conversations with real estate agents in areas that already have wind farms we can expect a decrease of up to 50% in our property values 4. Fire risk given the height of these proposed turbines i feel they would be a hinderance to fire fighting helicopters and fixed wing aircraft as recent fires had 9 helicoptors and several fixed wing air craft flying very low to the ground to fight them

I have followed the proposed Jupiter Wind Farm proposal for some time. I am concerned about gaps in the EIS, including: the negative visual impact of the windfarm; non-addressing of bushfire issues - so clearly illustrated by recent bushfires in the region; noise impact - any noise in the country is noise; disruption to existing services including wi-fi and TV; negative impact on property values.; and alleged divisive behaviour that is impacting on the cohesion of the community. Please stop and listen to the community and answer all their questions satisfactorily.

We frequently visit friends in the area of the proposed wind farm and I am concerned about (1) the cost - including hidden handouts and subsidies - which produces an unreliable electricity source, and rising cost to consumer. (2) the impact on the people resident in the area. (3) environmental impact - ugly, noisy, and unfriendly to birds. (4) not adequate consultation.

Sirs,
I am writing as someone who lives in Sydney but frequently visits friends in Canberra and Braidwood. These are at or near current and proposed wind farms.

I gather there was not adequate consultation with the people who have to live with the end result. And I am also concerned about all the hidden costs the will be included via handouts, subsidies, and other extra costs that never seem to be disclosed to public.

In 2013 I walked 800 kms in Spain along the Camino and came across several of these subsidised wind farms which according to locals were just regarded as a joke and a scam that ate up billions of tax money and siphoned it to the developers.

This will be the same end result here with unreliable electricity that is provided only under text book weather conditions but will need normal electricity to be maintained as backup. We have seen the effect in SA.

The electricity costs that are paid by the public should not be used to subsidise these grand designs esp at the expense of the people who have to live near them and put up with their noise, ugliness, and damage they do to their views and more importantly their property values.

Please reconsider these massive projects and structures.

Thanking you,
Amr Marzouk